Hi friends of think atheist,
You definitely have heard of this news last Monday..
France Enforces Ban on Full-Face Veils in Public.
Sorry if this has been discussed before...but It's important to hear the atheists opinion on this matter.
VÉNISSIEUX, France — France on Monday formally banned the wearing of full veils in public places, becoming the first country in Europe to impose restrictions on a form of attire that some Muslims consider a religious obligation.
read more here
I'm very interested in hearing people's opinion's on the ban..
So, what do you think?
I also want to add to my answer that kids are not raised in a vacuum. Encouraging atheists to come out of the closet and getting them in positions where they can influence kids is definitely something we, as a community, should be striving for. The religious have their camps, weekly meetings, and Boys/Girl Scouts etc. We really need organizations that have programs for kids that promote critical thinking skills, combat superstitions, and we should be encouraging atheists to go into professions (such as teaching) where they can directly teach children what is correct.
Rational instead of atheist & correct.
Though no point in fighting over semantics, we all know what Daria & Jared(I hope) meant
If you want to go deep into semantics -
Existentialism - from
A philosophy that emphasizes the uniqueness and isolation of the individual experience in a hostile or indifferent universe, regards human existence as unexplainable, and stresses freedom of choice and responsibility for the consequences of one's acts.
Rationalism - source
Personally I prefer rational to existential.
Heather wrote: If the numbers start to run against rational though, however, at what point is it appropriate to step in?
@ Heather - Recently, I viewed a link to a virtual tour of a Creation Museum in Kentucky and I think that time has come. I'm serious. It is getting really bad when you have whole "museums" popping up in major cities around the US that support insanity. There is one now even in Seattle, WA. Seattle has a reputation for being quite progressive. I hope this is just a stupd fad that will pass and people will laugh about it 10 years from now.
Personally I love the creation museum. I've seen a few videos shot in it and I always scour the background to watch the faces of the kids. It's very very common to see a kid looking at something with total disbelief and then sort of looking up at their parents out of the corner of their eyes with this 'what an fucking idiot' expression. I think that creation museum might be doing the job for us, ha ha.
But yes, there are definitely some disturbing trends and I think it's wise to open the dialog of what sort of action might be taken, what could be consistently applied while still ensuring the highest degree of personal liberty, and when it might be an appropriate time to step in. As you are in the bible belt, I can see how the time is at hand for you.
Promoting religious rights is useless if the rights are not vigorously upheld. Christian fundamentalists spread the message that homosexuality is an evil force that is the cause of aids, and have successfully overturned hate crime convictions by declaring religious freedoms under the European Convention of Human Rights. Using education as a tool to disseminate falsifiable knowledge can be a losing battle where fundamentalists form political alliances. To this end, I am concerned that an unwillingness to infringe on religious protections can render promotion of other human rights impotent.
As far as Afghanistan, I have never supported a prolonged occupation but that is another debate entirely. I'm moving back towards being in full support of the ban on the niqab in France as I discover more information on just how the European courts can be useless in protecting secularism. So no, not all good ideas and not a very strong rhetorical tool to group them together like that.
When you state that the US is slow in catching up to European culture and tradition you seem to be suggesting that it's a goal to which it is worthy to aspire. Given American economic and technological superiority, I would expect you to evaluate them as being ahead of you and not behind. In Canada and the US we don't actually need to nip across any channel to interact with several nationalities immediately for we live side by side with several nationalities simultaneously - unless of course you are suggesting that people who have emigrated here no longer authentically represent their heritage. What exactly makes you think that more borders promotes better cross-fertilization of ideas? I would suggest that your sense of rationality doesn't seem particularly improved from the experience from my perspective. I'm not sure what the relevance of international touristm statistics might be, but as you can see the list doesn't seem to correspond significantly to the statistics I offered regarding certainty of evolution. Given the sense of superiority you seem to be implying about your European lifestyle I find it rather humourous that you didn't just look that up for yourself. Your entire basis for this perceived superiority seems to lie in your concept of our geographic isolation, which as near as I can tell means having fewer borders per square mile. If, by isolated, you mean Canada as a nation in North America experiences fewer arbitrary political divisions, then yes I guess you might say we are isolated as well.
What any of this has to do with your inhibition to take any action against spreading dogmatic messages of intolerance from hate inciting texts like the Qu'ran and the Bible is beyond me. I'm glad that several countries, aside from France, are willing to take action against those who would shield their terrorist intents under the protections of religious beliefs, though.