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Permalink Reply by Mohamed Zaki on April 21, 2011 at 5:16pm

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20001641-504083.html this is a video of a lady in some sort of music clip stripping down a street in texas i just remembered it while reading your post :)

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Permalink Reply by Stutz on November 2, 2011 at 4:52am

Public nudity is an example of the higher standard I was referring to. It's different than banning a specific garment.

 

But on the other hand, should governments be banning nudity? Nudity isn't inherently inciteful or dangerous like hate speech or yelling "fire" in a theater, so on some level, doesn't banning it also violate basic freedoms of expression, as distasteful as it is? Governments may reserve the legal right to ban it, but insofar as they do, isn't it self-contradictory, since governments exist to uphold and protect the rights enshrined in their foundational documents (Constitutions, etc)?

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Permalink Reply by Hope on November 2, 2011 at 4:16pm

here is a forum discussion

Why Must We Wear Clothes?

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Permalink Reply by Professor Tanhauser on April 19, 2011 at 2:51am

There are places in america where the ku klux klan is not allowed to publicly wear it's full hoods and masks, and that has passed constitutional muster despite the KKK being a chrisatian religious organization. I see no reason why the same rulings can't be used on islam.

 

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Permalink Reply by Hope on April 19, 2011 at 2:25pm

Your thought seems rational.

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Permalink Reply by Professor Tanhauser on April 19, 2011 at 7:39pm

 I also support this decision becaus eit makes it clear to muslims that they will NOT be allowed to FORCE women to wear veils in public, like they do in countries where islam dominates.

 

And remember, if they don't like it they can move to a different country. Unlike many women living under sharia oppression in muslim countries.

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Permalink Reply by Mo Trauen on April 19, 2011 at 8:55am

Wow, Judith.  What revealing anecdote (pun intended).  You should publicize this incident as much as possible.  This is a perfect example of a completely practical reason for getting rid of burkas.

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Permalink Reply by Hope on April 19, 2011 at 10:21am

Judith,

This story has touched my feelings!!

thanks so much for sharing!

 

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on April 19, 2011 at 10:55am

This is way too eloquent a post to be left as a comment and I highly suggest you put it into a blog entry.  I absolutely love hearing about incidents like this since I have a lot of blind and sight-impaired friends and some of the obstacles created for them just defy the imagination.

 

I'm always amazed when stand-offs occur like this.  In your case, you can't just choose to hear better but the woman in front of you can choose to make herself better understood by offering a view of her face.  How anyone can fail to see the correct solution here is beyond me.  I've encountered another interesting case where wheelchair athletes argued for better funding for their equipment because it was a requirement of their participation while at the same time arguing against better funding for guides for blind athletes because they claimed that was a totally different issue.

 

Anyway, I am so glad you stood up for your rights in this case and it definitely highlights one reason why the 'right' to conceal one's face is absurd.  I am concerned about this law, however, since there are very rare cases where face covering might have more important considerations than modesty.

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Permalink Reply by Daria Black on April 19, 2011 at 5:53pm

Awesome story. I'm so glad you stood up for yourself. This is why they are able to perpetuate this kind of behavior because other people will not step in and say something.

 

What I don't understand is why the woman wouldn't remove her covering for you another woman. It is my understanding that a woman can't be seen by other men but other women are ok. I'm so confused!

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Permalink Reply by Mo Trauen on April 19, 2011 at 9:10pm

I suspect the woman's refusal to remove the veil in the presence of another woman may have been a political statement.

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on April 20, 2011 at 6:15pm

Do you know how many people plunk a form in front of a blind person and ask them to sign beside each of the spaces marked by an 'x'? It is incredibly stupid, but it's often difficult for people to adjust to different ways of communicating the same ideas. Obviously many people need to learn to make these adjustments, but I'm not certain that they are all idiots.

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