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Permalink Reply by Arcus on April 22, 2011 at 8:12pm

I'm calling that the Inception fallacy henceforth ;)

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Permalink Reply by Dustin on April 20, 2011 at 12:20am

It's about time Islamic control over women is pushed outside the boundaries of at least one democracy.  

 

France is a pretty cool country now in my book. 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Professor Tanhauser on April 20, 2011 at 5:31pm

Look, in countries where muslim women are veiled, other women are often pressured or eventually FORCED to wear the goddam veil too.  Maybew the only way to protect all women from being pressured into wearing this veil of submission is to ban the damn thing.

 

Otherwise we may end up like come muslim countries where some men BRAG about carrying bottles of acid to throw in the faces of unveiled women.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/12/gaza-acid-thrown-in-face-of-woman...

 

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on April 20, 2011 at 6:08pm

Personally I feel that justice would be best served by taking those bottles of acid and pouring them into the crotches of the men who brag about carrying them.

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Permalink Reply by Hope on April 20, 2011 at 6:17pm

Gaza: acid thrown in face of woman dressed "immodestly"!!

what a horrible crime! I'm very very sad for that :(

 

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Permalink Reply by Hope on April 20, 2011 at 6:28pm

Heated debate going on now at Amnesty International Facebook page. Some interesting comments there.

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Permalink Reply by Arcus on April 21, 2011 at 1:38pm

I think arguing against it from the 'women's right' perspective may be harmful to the debate. Surely, there must be a few who wear them out of own free will, and the debate quickly ends up in "people should be free to wear what they want".

However, where I am from, wearing skimasks or any face covering garment (except burqa/veils) in public is illegal; even if we are skiing (and we are apparently born with skis on our feet)! There are also laws against public nudity, so there are definately "clothing laws" already in place. I do believe similar laws are already in effect in France and most other countries.  

What I cannot fathom is why this is being pulled into being a religious or women's rights debate seeing as there is already a perfect justification and possibly even existing laws which deal with this very subject without making it a hot potato. All which is needed is to start applying them uniformly, and not give any religion or cause some type of de juro protection from application.

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on April 21, 2011 at 3:54pm

In Canada we have no such laws regarding ski masks, etc, although I think it has always been accepted that you must show your face to identify yourself when asked by an authority.  You can walk into a bank wearing a ski mask without raising an eyebrow here, although if you keep it on while standing in line people will start to think you are strange.  Before everybody got crazy about gun control, it wasn't unheard of that a trapper travelling by snow mobile might enter a business, including a bank, with his face covered and a shotgun or rifle in his hand.  I don't think it was ever deemed acceptable in metropolitan areas.  I often marvel at how fast the world changes.

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Permalink Reply by Arcus on April 21, 2011 at 4:07pm

Didn't used to be illegal in Scandinavia either (it tends to get quit cold), but seeing as they were almost always worn by people when committing crimes, it ended up only being people committing crimes wearing them (could this posibly be extended to be a gun control argument?) :)

If I see a guy on the street with a ski mask, I can be pretty damned sure he's up to no good and call the police to check it out and potentially avoid a crime. Also the same reason I would never wear a frock near a childrens playground or name my child Billy Bob, the connotations are just too obvious.

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on April 21, 2011 at 4:24pm

Ha ha, indeed. Well the police here have no interest in someone who is just walking down the street, face covered or not. It's mostly just considered good etiquette here to reveal the face when you come in doors - and that includes sunglasses that hide the eyes, although that is accepted if you have some sort of sight/eye problem.

If I see a guy in the street wearing a mask, I assume that it is either very cold or he is headed to a masquerade party. If I see the same guy in my neighbour's yard prying at the windows, I assume he is up to no good whether or not he's wearing a mask.

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Permalink Reply by Arcus on April 21, 2011 at 4:27pm

"If x is banned, only criminals will have x."

Yeah, kinda makes them easy to spot, don't ya thunk? :)

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on April 21, 2011 at 4:41pm

Well if you decide that everybody who has blond hair is a criminal then I guess you create a lot of criminals through that definition so it is true. I don't see how there is any public service in that concept, especially when it comes to keeping the face protected from the cold. In -35 or worse, especially in high winds/humidity, you can expect to peel off pieces of your face the next day if you don't keep it covered while walking more than a few blocks.

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