Question was inspired by this user from Yahoo, thought I'd get some opinions on this on Think Atheist.

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It's electrical energy, which will be dissipated into the atmosphere, just as the molecules in your body will be converted into energy when another organism consumes them - all is energy, undifferentiated.

Think of a brain pattern as a grove on a musical CD - the groove is the "memory" of music, but not the music itself, which no longer exists, as the sound waves have dissipated into the atmosphere much as your brain waves will - both are forms of energy.

Is there a "duality" to a campfire? Both flame and wood exist at the same time, but when the wood is consumed, the flames cease to exist. How can that be? The wood still exists, as ash, but the flames are gone forever! "Something which is not different cannot be and not be." Ergo, wood has a soul, and I will see the branch I burned again in heaven, and it's going to be really, really pissed!

Yeah, I know that, I never said otherwise.

Sorry these messages seem to be coming out in the wrong order.

@Heather Spoonheim, logically, we cannot say that life is just a state of matter. If something dies, E=mc2 will still be preserved, materially, yet something will no longer be. If the total amount of energy and mass in the material world remain the same, yet something no longer exists, then it cannot be of the same form. Everything - something cannot equal everything.

And here we go again - E=MC2 has nothing to do with what states matter and energy will take.  We are a chemical reaction that sustains an equilibrium for a limited period of time. We call this equilibrium 'life' but it is not something separate from the chemicals, it is just a particular state of those chemicals.  There is nothing 'extra' there that disappears when we die - we just no longer maintain that same state of equilibrium and are therefore no longer meet the definition of 'life'.

Oh, so to set you state on one point, YES, we absolutely can state, logically, that life is just a state of matter.  I'm not sure what you consider to be 'logic' but please understand that it isn't defined as opinions that fall in line with your own.

OK, Anon, I'll pay to play - I'll say, "By golly, you're right!"

Now what?

What do you mean, now what? I don't know, I was just asking if it were possible.


I suppose, if there were a separation between thought and the material, and we accept our own mortality, then we would start to see each other as not just evolved animals, but as beings who can say "I am. I think." Who have one chance as thinkers collectively sharing in our experience of the material world, to lead a fulfilling and happy life. Then we might not be so selfish, and recognize the dire need to assist those less fortunate. And not nuke ourselves into oblivion or destroy the environment, so that others might be able to experience this world.

Why must we swallow a load of bullshit before gaining the ability to recognize the beauty in our own existence?  This just sounds like a standard theological apologetic that says you can't be moral unless you join a cult.

There's no joining any cults, no bullshit, it's just an idea. I thought, maybe mind and matter could be separate. How can I discuss this with someone else? TO THE INTERNET!

There was no reason to be rude, that's all. I had honest intentions, and you gave me your opinions, and I said thanks.

Well, I just said it was, so I guess you're done, right? You got what you came for.

@Heather Spoonheim, thank you for providing me with some insights, and discussing the idea of dualism. I'm still undecided as to whether there is a difference between existence, or life, whatever, and the purely material but at least furthered the debate in my own mind/electrical circuits. Thanks.

To be sure, I never once suggested immortality, despite being quoted as such.

As an aside, I'd just like to say that there really is no need for people to take on such a tone with each other. If you've found out the best way to think, or be, then great! But if other people haven't you ought to be helping them to understand, not belittling them. These are not trivial questions, they constitute the very nature of ourselves. You shouldn't ridicule someone if they don't agree with you, or are just plain wrong. There's still a space for respect in honest discussion, which was why I asked a question.


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