I was recently having a discussion/debate via Facebook with one of the most conservative, religious people I know regarding the existence of God and why society would be better without religion. I brought up a few statistics, namely that less religious societies (i.e. Denmark, Japan, etc.) have lower crime rates, higher average salaries, yadayadayada. And she responded with this little quip:

"Facts don't prove anything. I don't need facts to prove that God exists."

Now I know religious people are delusional by definition, but has anyone else ever encountered this blunt denial of fact and reason? I was very discouraged by this... I'm beginning to lose 'faith' in humanity, if you'll pardon the pun.


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This is EXACTLY the kind of thing I'm talking about. Although the individual I'm referring to probably doesn't know who Dostoyevsky is. ;)

Actually, if I mentioned his name, she'd probably call me a "Commie bastard". If that gives you guys any idea of the kind of person this is...

And I'm really, really amazed and impressed with the rapidity and quality of responses on T/A. This is really an awesome site.
This has nothing really to do with the topic at hand, but I found this lovely snippet on a Christian website someone forwarded to me and thought I'd share. It's from the FAQ page:

Q: Can you believe in the existence of something that you cannot see?

A: Have you ever seen your own brain? We all believe in many things that we have never seen. Have you ever seen the wind? Have you seen history? We see the effects of the wind, but the wind is invisible. We have records of history, but it is by faith we believe that certain historical events happened. Television waves are invisible, but an antenna and a receiver can detect their presence.

Do you know that you have a receiver? Prior to becoming a child of God, your 'receiver' (your spirit) is dead because of sin (see Ephesians 2:1). You need to be plugged into the life of God, and then you will come alive and be aware of the invisible spiritual realm.

Anyways, I don't know about everyone else, but I thought that was hilarious. Just sharing. :)

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