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Permalink Reply by Jānis Ķimsis on June 16, 2010 at 1:02pm

She's beyond hope, it seems. Hope her kids turn out atheist. (That would be a real ass thing to say to a theist, wouldn't it?)

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Permalink Reply by Sol Invictus on June 16, 2010 at 1:36pm

Hahah I'll tell here I'm PRAYING that her kids turn out atheist. That would really scare her.

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Permalink Reply by Sol Invictus on June 16, 2010 at 1:56pm

I guess that's where she's coming from... But doesn't that just prove that religion and science/objective reality are incompatible? People argue that major scientific advancements can occur while governments and the masses are limited by "God's plan", but I don't buy it...

Thanks for the reply.

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Permalink Reply by Nelson on June 16, 2010 at 1:14pm

she's clearly maintaining a double standard. if facts don't prove anything (and first of all i would say that more appropriately it is evidence that establishes things as probable) then what DOES prove something?
if she wanted to establish that something is true then she would have to provide evidence that establishes that her claim is probable- she'd have to offer facts to prove her assertion. surely she'd acknowledge this when it comes to 99.999% of claims she or i might make but then she refuses to apply that same principle to her god. why?
is it because on some level she knows that the facts as we have them show her god's existence to be extremely improbable?
furthermore, if facts don't prove that her god exists then neither do the facts prove that the god of Islam or of Hinduism or any other religion exists. in that case, she has no right to say that those gods don't exist since the followers of that religion can respond to her claim that their gods don't exist by saying, "i don't need your facts to prove that my god exists!" as an unbiased observer of all this how are we to say if god exists or, if a god exists, whose god it is that exists? how can she claim that the gods of other religions don't exist?

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Permalink Reply by Sol Invictus on June 16, 2010 at 2:00pm

I completely agree. Her entire claim is faulty in so many ways. Although I hadn't really considered your third point, that at some level she knows her argument is based on false premises. I like that one. Thanks :D

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Permalink Reply by Reggie on June 16, 2010 at 1:34pm

The hallmark of delusion is the denial or willful ignorance of facts and reason. If you continue to try and debate this person, be prepared to be continually disappointed.

As some quote I heard reads, and I paraphrase, "you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into".

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Permalink Reply by Sol Invictus on June 16, 2010 at 2:14pm

And here's one that I think also applies to the situation:
“I can stand brute force, but brute reason is quite unbearable. There is something unfair about its use. It is hitting below the intellect.” ;)

And yes, I've sort of accepted disappointment as a side effect of reasoned discussion with her... simply because reasoned discussion with her is close to impossible. I'll probably give up soon... :P

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Permalink Reply by Summer Seale on June 16, 2010 at 2:40pm

You should reply that you will remember that facts don't matter if you're ever on a jury when she's a defendant.

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Permalink Reply by Galen on June 16, 2010 at 3:16pm

Someone obviously didn't make it out of the 1st grade, where they teach the difference between FACT and OPINION. She is very very confused.

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Permalink Reply by Dave G on June 16, 2010 at 11:09pm

I know of someone (a sister of a friend) who insists that she does not want to learn anything, because facts are always changing and when she dies, God will tell her anything she wants to know.

This kind of person scares me.

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Permalink Reply by Sol Invictus on June 16, 2010 at 11:49pm

This sounds exactly like the person I was describing. I'm sorry we have to know them. They are terrifying indeed. :/

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Permalink Reply by Benjamin on June 17, 2010 at 5:11pm

I have seen some of my fb friends post the following:

"If someone proved to me that Christ is outside the truth and that in reality the truth were outside of Christ, then I should prefer to remain with Christ rather than with the truth." -Fyodor Dostoyevsky

:(

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