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Permalink Reply by Scott on May 29, 2011 at 3:56pm

Hehe, that's a great way to discuss with them. I'll have to try it sometime. (Gotta put aside my personal need for people to realize I was genuine...)

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on May 28, 2011 at 8:44am

Hi there and welcome to TA!  I'm not sure if I was ever a 'true-Christian' because I don't know who could objectively define that sort of thing.  I fully believed everything I was told, but even early on I had trouble resolving many of those things.  I really stretched myself intellectually to rationalize those things: prayers were not automatically granted because god had other things to do; the 6 days of creations may have just been 'figurative' days; early Romans destroyed all records of Jesus - only to later adopt him as their god; etc, etc, etc.

 

By my mid-teens I would have been the sort of Christian that I now call a "deist clinging to Christianity", believing the bible was really just a metaphor for a greater truth.  It would take another five years before I would finally realize there wasn't even a basis for those metaphors.  Even as an Atheist I still find modern Christianity's sugar-free, low-fat Yahweh-lite to be an abhorrent desecration of the god I once revered.  It makes me feel bad for the cosmically bumbling benevolent little fellow who can't exist without our belief.

 

Anyway, I'll let you decide and add me as a friend if I am another ex-true-Christian; or add me anyway, I can never have too many friends without faith.

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Permalink Reply by Seth Jon Nonnemaker on May 28, 2011 at 12:37pm

I was never "in love" with Jesus, nor am I an ex-true Christian, but I can relate to believing in all that nonsense just to keep people happy (my parents). But one day I gathered up the courage to tell them how I really felt. With my mother and father divorced, I had to tell my mother first, since I live with her. She didn't accept it at first and just said "Really Seth? You're that ignorant?" I just shook my head and walked away saying "You're calling ME ignorant?" Then she got around to tell me that "Don't tell people at family gatherings about that, you will embarrass me." And one time we were watching TV about religion and she said "I wish I would've pushed religion on you more" so I replied "Isn't better to have a son that is old enough to make his own decisions and choice what he wants?" then she said "No". I guess my father is also an Atheist and he told me that is why he divorced my mother, because she was trying to push it on him, so that conversation wasn't at all hostile.

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Permalink Reply by 3equ3cp1fsw0n on May 28, 2011 at 1:26pm

I am definitely an x-true Christian. I had a best friend that converted to fundamentalism because of some significant emotional experience she had that happened in an instant while she was visiting someone at a hospital. As soon as she could, she let me know that she had found the real deal and anything I had to say counter to that was "of the devil" It was the last time I ever spoke with her.

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Permalink Reply by Susan W. Johnson on May 29, 2011 at 3:46am

No one has replied to you about the Jesus thing, Scott. Since I was very young I never bought into the god thing, and my mother was the only one in the family of 6 interested in it. She didn't press it. She was disappointed that none of us pursued it, but she seemed to accept it. Dad accompanied her to church just to keep the peace.

 

Anyway, the odd thing though is that I have always been attracted to Jesus and his story. Truly! Especially when I majored in art history; there were so many beautiful depictions of him. I do believe he may have been the perfect human being. And I find Christian principles to be sound and rational.  Check out a painting entitled "Christ Before the High Priest" by Gerald Honthurst and look at the expression on his face. Of course it's an artist's interpretation of what he felt to be Christ's demeanor. But it embodies all that I love about him. Loving beyond measure, compassionate and the wisest of the wise. What's not to like?

 

That being said....the son of god? I think not! Returning to earth for "rapture"? Yeah, right! Helping people in need? Uh, look around you! Why do SO MANY PEOPLE buy into this whole notion of a supreme being that looks down upon us and anwers prayers? What's that? Your prayer wasn't answered? Oh, no, they say . God always answers prayers! It's just that sometimes the answer is no. I'm going to send this because last night I lost my whole text but I have more to say.

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Permalink Reply by Susan W. Johnson on May 29, 2011 at 5:11am

What a crock of shit is THAT? So if you're praying that your stepfather will stop beating your mom and stop raping you, but it doesn't stop....the answer was no? If you're praying for the safe return of a kidnapped child, and the child is found dead....the answer was no? How the goddies find a way to praise their god, no matter what, is a source of infinite amazement to me. Tornadoes in Alabama that kill over 400? Praise the lord how many survived! Schoolbus crashes and kids are killed? Oh, god works in mysterious ways. He called those children home! It was their time to go! Everything happens for a reason!!! It will all be explained at the rapture! Living in the Bible Belt, I am absolutely SURROUNDED by religiosity. My 11 year old daughter said that at school recently, the teachers put up little lists of things that were important to them, and almost all had God or Jesus, my savior at the top. As much as I extolled Jesus' virtues moments ago, putting his name on a public list rather gags me. Oh, and her science teacher scoffed at evolution, and said, "We normal people know that's a bunch of garbage".

 

I have to admit, sometimes, when I look at a canopy of trees, a star-studded sky, a pink and purple sunset, floating clouds,  it is seductive to contemplate that they were put in place for humans to enjoy. Does that not cross the mind of the strongest atheist? For me, though, this is only fleeting, and I come to my senses and stick to what I've always felt: there is no god. Now I must sign off, as this poor (literally) atheist who shares a computer with 2 kids has a daughter who wants to show her a laughing camel on Youtube. Good night, fellow atheists.

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Permalink Reply by Scott on May 29, 2011 at 2:15pm

You hit the nail right on the head with the discussion of "unanswered prayer." I hit a point in my spiritual journey where I had to be HONEST with myself about unanswered prayer. I was also getting so FRUSTRATED with other Christians who could not face the obvious: that they keep making excuses and rationalizations for the many failures of their God to live up to his promises. Call a spade a spade. God doesn't answer your prayers any differently than if you were praying to anything else or not at all. (The only exception is the manner in which prayer focuses the mind and spurs someone to take action THEMSELF that would not have happened otherwise.)

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on May 29, 2011 at 2:30pm

Occasionally Christians reduce debate to emotional pleas like, "If you had ever worked in intensive care you would know the power of Jesus!"  I always reply by pointing out that death in the intensive care unit shows no prejudice for the faithful or the prayed for - statistics prove that the 'power of god' has no more influence than a fart in the wind.

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Permalink Reply by Scott on May 29, 2011 at 3:54pm

Maybe we should encourage more farting in hospitals...

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on May 29, 2011 at 3:58pm

We can just add more fiber to the hospital menu.

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Permalink Reply by Scott on May 29, 2011 at 2:10pm

It is amazing what emotions can trick us into believing.

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Permalink Reply by Scott on May 29, 2011 at 2:19pm

Yeah, I'm a little more "fresh" out of the faith (about a year). I'm curious what it will be like as it continues to fade.

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