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Permalink Reply by M on April 6, 2011 at 5:50pm

Ask her where she gets her morals.  She says god, and that's very special, but where are these morals laid down for her?  The Bible?  Which ones would those be?  The ones where god encourages rape, kidnapping, and murder?  The sacrificing of children?  And if she says she doesn't follow those, but likes the ones about loving thy neighbor, etc., point out that she seems capable of choosing which moralities that feel right to her and discarding those that seem wrong to her, and that she obviously doesn't need god to help her with that.  Thus, why should you?   

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Permalink Reply by Joli on April 7, 2011 at 12:12am

If I was a fly on the wall for that conversation I would have to say OOOH Burn!!!!! lmao!! Great Advice M!!

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Permalink Reply by prius04 on April 7, 2011 at 11:51pm

This is the key.  If she doesn't believe that slavery is OK for example, then she can't get her morality from the bible.  Being able to make the choice of what items in the Bible she will ascribe to versus which ones she would reject means that she simply MUST get her morality elsewhere.  How else could one decide what to accept versus what to reject.

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Permalink Reply by M on April 9, 2011 at 6:29pm

Thank you, thank you.  It's one of my favorite arguments, if one can have a favorite argument.

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on April 14, 2011 at 3:22am

Well stated [like]

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Permalink Reply by Peter on April 17, 2011 at 7:32pm

Splendid.

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Permalink Reply by Mo Trauen on April 6, 2011 at 6:13pm

The answer is quite simple:  All morals worth having are based on empathy and logic, with a dash of community standards thrown in.  As M pointed out, this is exactly how your mother picks her morals.  If you need god to tell what is moral and force you to behave, then you are either truly psychopathic or have the mind of a small child.

 

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Permalink Reply by Okinawa R. on April 6, 2011 at 6:52pm

i'll use my "golden rule of atheistic moral or whatever"

"Treat others like how you want them to treat you"

do i want someone to lie to me ? thus i dont want to lie.
do i want someone stealing my stuffs ? thus i dont want to steal.
do i want someone cheating on me ? thus i dont want to cheat.

the list could go forever and it works both ways too.

why bother being a good person ? because we dont want bad things happen onto us though shit happens.

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Permalink Reply by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on April 6, 2011 at 8:03pm

To paraphrase Hitchins "I do not need to take my moral code in tablet form" when refering to 10 commandments.

Ask do you need to be commanded not to kill or steal?

Also most of the commandments are about worshiping god and not right or wrong.

Just found the video here is the (missing) link. This is all we on Earth need to know about them.

 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by George Shrake on April 7, 2011 at 12:41am

Questions of morality Predate Judaism let alone Christianity as well as existing in societies that had  no contact with Judeo-christian philosophy. I'm paraphrasing here but Robert Heinlein said that morals are just  rules that a society creates for its survival, which seems as good a definition as any. As to the golden rule http://www.atheistcartoons.com/?p=3701

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Okinawa R. on April 7, 2011 at 1:40am

guess the golden rule have a long history...

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Permalink Reply by lloydleroimiller on April 7, 2011 at 2:15am

The very same thing has come up, many times. I choose to only practice behaviors that I would find acceptable in others.  I choose to always live as I choose and to never let my freedoms step on the toes of someone else's. "Do unto others" is simply put. I know in my heart what is right, if it damages no one or no thing, it is as good as can be.

Now, let's look at the whole "Morality" concept.  I have morals that I have created for myself.  No God was needed. I don't even like the word. I have chosen to use this one and only life to learn, to love, to grow, to become 'tuned in', if you will.  That is my morality.  It has no place for judgment, no room for self-serving arrogance. Every life is important, every idea, equally valid.  As long as no intentional harm is present.

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