Jesus on Homosexuality (in response to Heather)
To: Heather as you Requested
A few things here from both OT and NT and just because you cant see the word 'Homosexual' Its pretty easy to work it out ....
This is just a little bit ... I dont have time for more but what more do you need? ....
and really ... I'd like an apology thanks ....
First God:
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with ,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God
The Holy Bible: King James Version. 2000. |
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Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. |
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Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. |
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Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. |
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The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. |
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Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. |
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But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. |
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For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. |
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¶ I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. |
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But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. |
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¶ And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: |
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but and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. Mt. 5.32 ; 19.9 · Mk. 10.11, 12 · Lk. 16.18 |
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¶ But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. |
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And the woman which hath a husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. |
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For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. |
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But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. |
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For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? |
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¶ But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches. |
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Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. |
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Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. |
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Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. |
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Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. |
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For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. |
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Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. |
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Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. |
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¶ Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. |
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I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. |
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Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. |
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But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. |
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But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none; |
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and they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; |
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and they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away. |
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¶ But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: |
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but he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife. |
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There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. |
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And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction. |
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¶ But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. |
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Nevertheless he that standeth steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well. |
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So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better. |
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¶ The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. |
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But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God. |
Genesis 1 (King James Version)
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Now Jesus
1. And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matt. 19:4.)
Questions: What did Jesus say about God’s creative work? Did He make Adam and Joseph? Did He create male and male, or did He create male and female? According to this passage, what has been God’s plan for sexual union [one flesh] since the beginning of time? Was His plan for a male partner to be joined to another male partner, or was it for a husband to be united to his wife? According to this passage, is a man to cleave to his male partner, or to his spouse?
Consider: Since Jesus approved of His Father’s plan [i.e., one man, one woman, one flesh,] could we correctly say that Jesus condemned homosexuality?
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Permalink Reply by Angela Evangelia on
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There are what, maybe 50 different denominations that use the bible... Each of them have their own take on who Jesus is and sometimes, i think that when atheists talk about the bible, they mash all the doctorines into the argument and I dont think that works ...
Like Lutherans .. They are pretty much Catholics but they got in trouble with the Vatican because they changed the meaning of Mary. Lutherans and Catholics were enemies for a long time over that. But hey ... with a name like Luther ... how could he not cause trouble ..
But when we talk about the Vatican then its the doctorine of the Holy Trinity - Virgin Birth - Talking Snake etc
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Permalink Reply by Unseen on -
That is the doctrine of the Trinity. The idea that since God made Jesus out of himself and through Mary, Jesus is also God. Throw in The Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost) and you have the self-contradiction that one must take on faith in both the Catholic and any Protestant faith I'm aware of. I'm not sure if Jehovah's Witnesses are Protestants or not. I suspect it's a matter for dispute. I think they were created out of whole cloth out of some of the Christian ideas already out there.
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on -
Here's a good example of "Jesus is god" - JC said, "The wind blows where it pleases, and you hear its sound, but you don’t know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
You'd think that a god who wiggled his nose and created the universe out of nothing, would know the wind does NOT blow where it pleases - like water is forced to move to the lowest possible point, so wind is compelled to move to the point of lowest barometric pressure, and we not only know where it's going, we know where it came from, an area with higher barometric pressure.
Talk about a case of beget it and forget it --!
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Permalink Reply by Adam on -
Just a slight correction
Muslims do not believe that "Prophet Isa" (Jesus) is below Muhammad. They believe that Jesus's original teachings have been corrupted by the Christians. Therefore Allah (God) sent Muhammad to reteach the people the word of god. They emphasize Muhammmad because he is the "last prophet" God has ever sent (how convenient for him) and quran is the sum of all the teachings of the abrahamic religions and Allah explained its meaning to the people through Muhammad. So Muhammad is given more importance because he teaches not only what he has been sent from God but also what Jesus taught all from the quran. But in terms of being a messenger of god, Isa and Muhammad are at the same level.
This is of course all utter nonsense, not that it even matters who is above who, but just correcting that.
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OMG ... Have a look at what youve said Adam ....
But ... can we try to keep this about Catholics.
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In order of higest to lowest please rank Jesus, Ala and Mohammed in order of importance to Muslims ...
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Like that.....
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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1. Allah
2. Mohammed
3. Frosty the Snowman
4. Yeshua
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exactly archaeopteryx ...
Jesus is ranked below Mohammed ...
What say you Adam???
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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Muslims believe that Yeshua was a prophet, but that Mohammed was the FINAL prophet.
But then, they also believe he flew like Superman from Mecca to Jerusalem, then to heaven, then back to Mecca and a pork chop and a good night's sleep, so what do they know?
Even if you hadn't chosen that username, you are sounding a whole lot like a theist.
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Permalink Reply by kOrsan on -
In order of higest to lowest please rank Jesus, Ala and Mohammed in order of importance to Muslims ...
Allah is the Muslim's version of God so you can't rank him with the prophets. Apples and oranges.
Secondly, Adam is right in that Jesus (Isa) is treated as a prophet of Allah. Muslim do love Mohammad more since he's the official mascot of their religion. That makes him more important since he's the last messenger, but Jesus is not "below" him. The list of "Allah > Muhammad > Jesus" may be true from a love and fanaticism point of view.
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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RE: "God as the father God as the son God as the holy ghost ..." - that wasn't decided until 300 years after Yeshua supposedly lived, and then, only by a group of Bishops, meeting in Constantinople, at the Council of Nicea in 325 CE, and even then, it was strongly opposed by another group, who said Yeshua couldn't possibly be god, if he was praying in the garden of Gethsemane to let him off the hook regarding the crucifixion, finally giving in at the last minute - who begs himself to let himself not be crucified?
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