Jesus on Homosexuality (in response to Heather)
To: Heather as you Requested
A few things here from both OT and NT and just because you cant see the word 'Homosexual' Its pretty easy to work it out ....
This is just a little bit ... I dont have time for more but what more do you need? ....
and really ... I'd like an apology thanks ....
First God:
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with ,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God
The Holy Bible: King James Version. 2000. |
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Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. |
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Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. |
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Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. |
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The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. |
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Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. |
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But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. |
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For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. |
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¶ I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. |
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But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. |
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¶ And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: |
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but and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. Mt. 5.32 ; 19.9 · Mk. 10.11, 12 · Lk. 16.18 |
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¶ But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. |
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And the woman which hath a husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. |
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For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. |
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But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. |
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For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? |
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¶ But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches. |
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Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. |
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Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. |
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Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. |
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Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. |
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For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. |
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Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. |
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Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. |
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¶ Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. |
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I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. |
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Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. |
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But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. |
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But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none; |
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and they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; |
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and they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away. |
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¶ But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: |
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but he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife. |
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There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. |
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And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction. |
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¶ But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. |
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Nevertheless he that standeth steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well. |
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So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better. |
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¶ The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. |
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But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God. |
Genesis 1 (King James Version)
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Now Jesus
1. And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matt. 19:4.)
Questions: What did Jesus say about God’s creative work? Did He make Adam and Joseph? Did He create male and male, or did He create male and female? According to this passage, what has been God’s plan for sexual union [one flesh] since the beginning of time? Was His plan for a male partner to be joined to another male partner, or was it for a husband to be united to his wife? According to this passage, is a man to cleave to his male partner, or to his spouse?
Consider: Since Jesus approved of His Father’s plan [i.e., one man, one woman, one flesh,] could we correctly say that Jesus condemned homosexuality?
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Strega on -
So your point is that Jesus condemned homosexuality merely by approving of the OT (aka 'His Father's plan)? Wouldn't the same argument be made for saying Jesus commended rape, incest, genocide and slavery because he approved of the OT (same plan)?
I seriously thought you were going to provide evidence that Jesus was reported as preaching something about homosexuality. I mean the church takes it terribly seriously, its a huge issue for them. You'd have thought there'd be some kind of decisive direction from Jesus given specifically on the matter.
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Permalink Reply by Angela Evangelia on
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I'm interested to know who people think Jesus is?.... Do people think that Jesus is somebody else other than God?
As far as the Catholics are concerened Jesus IS God .. not somebody different..
Jesus is part of the Trinity (I know that you know that)
God as the father God as the son God as the holy ghost ...
Its the same person so of course he agrees with everything in the OT otherwise God would just be disagreeing with himself ...
same plan .....
This is a huge problem for Catholics ....
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I never said it made sense .... : )))
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Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on -
Because gentiles were given an out later on. Listening to Jesus is something you only do as a last ditch effort when no one has given you a 'get out of jail free' card, I believe.
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Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on
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Oh, you also listen to Jesus when he tells you to do something you had planned to do anyway.
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Jehovahs Witness do not believe that Jesus is God but his literal son ...
Muslims see Jesus as a prophet below Mohammed
But its the Catholics were talking about here ... and to them Jesus and God are one and the same ...
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Permalink Reply by Strega on
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So therefore Jesus commends rape, etc. That doesn't make sense.
However, i do believe Heather was referring, as I was, to something regarding homosexuality that Jesus was alleged to have said. You could have simply said "Jesus is God so the OT all counts as his word" instead of all this biblical blurb that I read through, to basically say the same thing.
Or am I missing something?
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God? The Christian doctrine of the "trinity", attempting to reconcile Jewish monotheism with Jesus' self-revelation, holds that Jesus 1) is both fully human and fully divine, and 2) is God (in a different "person").
That might help understand your shellfish pork question because the Catholics did steal change the story ...
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Permalink Reply by Strega on
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No, not really I'm afraid. All this buffet style religious doctrine will probably always be an anathema to me. So Jesus is God and God said no pork or shellfish but that doesn't matter because Jesus is also a human. And God. Right.
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errr ummm yeah
What a mess huh ..
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I will try to find reference to this but ... apparently those dietary laws were only put in place for the Chosen Ones ... everybody else gets free for all ...
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