I'm an Egyptian ex-Muslim Atheist and I'm am residing illegally in Denmark with my girlfriend (who is Danish) as I am scared to go back to my home country and get arrested or tortured for criticizing Islam. I have been legally traveling between Europe and North America every three months for the past two years, and I literally spent every cent from my savings doing that. I have no home where I can get back to in Egypt and my family doesn't accept me for rejecting Islam. I have thought a lot about applying for Asylum but I discovered that only 33% of applicants succeed in their case. I also spoke with many people over here who are extremely supportive but are also confused about whether I should apply for Asylum or not as if I get deported back to Egypt my chances of survival would be minimal.

My hatred towards Islam started when I saw how violent and immoral that religion is. I have been taught as a child that Islam is the one true religion and that anyone that is not Muslim is considered to be an enemy and I simply couldn't accept that kind of logic. I was lucky enough to travel around the world, explore other cultures and I was mostly fascinated with Scandinavian countries and how peaceful they are. I also happen to love Islam's number one enemy: Science, and thanks to it, I became who I am today.

I am extremely confused and sad about the life I'm living, I've never felt freedom before and I hope to be part of a secular society that wouldn't kill or torture me for my own freedom of thought. I am also psychologically frustrated as I feel chained to something that I don't and will never belong to.

Any help would be very appreciated.

Thank you.

Tags: Apostasy, Asylum, Atheist, Death, Denmark, Egypt, Ex-Muslim, Exmuslim, Freedom, Help, More…Islam, Penalty, Support

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If you get deported, how grave exactly will your crime be? Is there any chance you can pretend to repent, or deny your apostasy in some way to be safe?

I too have navigated through a very difficult immigration process and I know emotionally how difficult it is. I want to assure you that YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!

I would like to assure you that there IS hope! DO NOT focus on the percentage of applications that are “denied.” Infact, throw that number OUT of your mind completely! It looks to me like Denmark’s system is Asylum-Seeker friendly, and from everything I’ve read in the last hour in studying what your options might be I can honestly say NOTHING I’ve read thus far gives me a reason to believe you don’t stand a great chance at getting asylum, the KEY for you is to get informed, start the process ASAP once you are informed, and get assistance with your application, whether it be through an immigration attorney, or you might even check with the Red Cross, Refugees International…I’m SURE there are probably TONS of other resources but these are just two that I’ve found that may be of some help (again I just started researching some avenues for you, and I am getting caught up to speed on the immigration process itself for Denmark…)

Remember the first thing you need to do is GET INFORMED!!!! I do not know how much research you’ve already done on the process itself, but here’s a start: Click Here. You will have extensive opportunities to have your application reviewed so again, DO NOT focus on being denied, focus all of your efforts on learning what you need to do to be successful, and you will be J Read up on the appeal process: Click Here and be prepared just in case you need to go down the appeal process. The


When you go to your interview to request asylum make sure you go PREPARED!!!! You need to be spot on with what you say and make sure it’s the same information you intend to submit with your application. DO NOT change your story or you may be denied. See this article, it may be warranted to know this.

Remember that Denmark’s immigration policies surrounding asylum seekers and approving their applications will be based on the UNHCR Statute

As a resource, this article was somewhat helpful for some general information.

Did you originally come to Denmark when you fled your home country? Or did you go to another country first? The reason I ask is that it looks like if you went somewhere else first you may be able to apply in that other country as a “Safe Third Country” and if their immigration procedures seem more favorable it is an option to consider.

I guess my first question also is how long have you been in Denmark? Are you working? Are you learning Danish? Are you staying out of trouble with the law? Are you involved in your community? These are some questions to ask yourself. Make sure you DOCUMENT EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!! Start writing down for your own thoughts to get organized everything that has happened to you and BE SPECIFIC!!! You want dates if possible for everything. Any evidence of your family’s rejection of you…I can’t stress enough the importance of maintaining well organized paperwork and getting as much information as possible. ALSO…if you have any medical conditions, again, GET PROOF. Get a set of medical doctors you work with regularly and have them help you notate additional “hardships.” I promise you, immigration IS scary, but the key to a successful application no matter what country you live in or what your circumstances are, is being informed, and staying proactive in submitting paperwork the right way, and do NOT lose hope. I’m here for you and I will continue to research this extensively...More to come. How long have you been in Denmark?

Apostasy is punishable by death. Though not clearly written  in holy books but that is the accepted practice among the muslims

*cough* The asylum rejection rate in Norway is 30% and the processing time is 3 weeks if you are cooperative. I would advise you to do this quickly as there is currently a very high influx of asylum seekers which will lead to a tightening of the rules, especially with the new government which comes in next month.

Good point Arcus: Lots of people from Syria will be seeking asylum....however this could also work to your advantage. The trick is the get "something" going....START the process and then if you're ever stopped you can show officials what you're seeking to do and they'll leave you alone most likely. For people who are following the immigration process you may be unofficially protected from deportation in the sense that they won't deport you if you can show them for intention and good faith effort...you're at more risk if you're doing nothing to remedy the situation. The longer you have to wait for your case to be heard, the longer you have to supply and gather documentation which will make your case stronger. If it goes quick and smooth, great, but even if you have to wait, don't worry.

My immigration case with my now ex-husband took us 4 years (from start to finish) and the success rate of what we accomplished (being approved the first time without being backlogged) was probably about 20%. what got us through was being prepared, and doing the paperwork correctly and having a good immigration attorney. You certainly don't need one, but it does help.

And the beauty of it is any Danish you have learned so far will carry over fairly well.  Norwegian, Swedish, and Danish are so similar that most linguists consider them dialects rather than separate languages.  Were it not for the happenstance of them being separate countries today there's probably be no controversy on that.

Best of luck, wherever you end up!

Weeeeelll... Can you understand Begbie's English accent?

Begby has a Scottish accent.

I have thought a lot about applying for Asylum [in Denmark] but I discovered that only 33% of applicants succeed in their case. I also spoke with many people over here who are extremely supportive but are also confused about whether I should apply for Asylum or not as if I get deported back to Egypt my chances of survival would be minimal.

I am not a lawyer, so my first advice is that you find a competent one immediately, ask his or her advice, and then follow that advice. If you have no money, consider contacting the Freedom From Religion Foundation here in the United States and asking for a referral. Draw from whatever resources you have-- friends, teachers, student organizations, atheist support groups, newspaper reporters, anything at all-- to get the best legal advice that you possibly can. I cannot emphasize this enough.
Your chances of being approved for asylum depend on several factors, starting with the country where you apply. The USA and Canada approve the most asylum requests in the world, so perhaps your chances are best here, but the approvals process is arbitrary enough for ivy league scholars to compare it with spinning a roulette wheel.
Your odds may be comparable but less random in secular France, which not only invented asylum but approves comparable numbers of asylum applications each year despite that its population is much smaller than the USA and Canada. Any judge in France may be more sympathetic to your plight as an atheist than any immigration judge in America, since the former is most likely to be a secularist and the latter is most likely to be a Christian who detests you for being an atheist as much as any Muslim back in Egypt.
The other factor that improves your chances immeasurably: you can demonstrate reasonably well that government forces (or forces acting beyond government control) in Egypt make your safe return there impossible. When you say your "chances of survival would be minimal", show them you really mean "significant persecution due to your atheism". That is, mental or physical abuse, denial of basic needs like food and housing, imprisonment, torture, death, etc., and not simply the struggles of economic hardship or the ostracism of former friends and family members.
Please keep in contact and let us know how the process goes.
I agree that seeking an immigration lawyer is in your best interest. I also understand finances may not permit. If this is the case you CAN still prevail. Also keep in mind many immigration attorneys work with their clients long distance. It's very possible if you cannot find one locally.

I still really disagree with focusing on approval rates. If you let your mind go there you will feel defeated. TRUST ME!!! Focus on your documentation. Your declaration is one of the single most important aspects of your application. Start writing. I will continue to research the topic. I learned more than you ever wish to know through my own process and I know that it is one of the most complex bureaucracies to face. I am working on something for you. Will post soon.
Sorry Gallup:
but the approvals process is arbitrary enough for ivy league scholars to compare it with spinning a roulette wheel.
........Yes and No. What is true is that the person who decides your fate is not bound to follow a checklist style approval. There is no guarantee of anything even IF you submit a flawless application. If that person wakes up on the wrong side of the bed that day, has a fight with his wife, and is in a pissy mood he may take it out on you. This is the injustice of the immigration process everywhere. It is true that some embassies are better than others at approving applications....all of this is true.

But you can increase your odds by giving them a flawless application. Remember they see THOUSANDS of these a month. They do not care about you. They will not empathize with you. You are just like the other 500 applications they've seen over and over. So what do you do? You follow the process and give them the right balance of concise content that they can "glance at" and make a decision in a very short amount of time. You may spend days preparing what they will notice in 30 seconds. They already have an idea of what kind of applications will be approved and what won't. To have the best odds you need to know EXACTLY what THAT EMBASSY is looking for...(Whichever one you are applying at). Keep this in mind. Do not let yourself be afraid. More to come....

I agree that seeking an immigration lawyer is in your best interest.

This is about an application for asylum, not an application for immigration.

Sorry Gallup: but the approvals process is arbitrary enough for ivy league scholars to compare it with spinning a roulette wheel. ........Yes and No.

I'm afraid it's mostly yes and very little no. Here is a sample study from the link I posted above:

"This study analyzes databases of merits decisions from all four levels of the asylum adjudication process: 133,000 decisions by 884 asylum officers over a seven year period; 140,000 decisions of 225 immigration judges over a four-and-a-half year period; 126,000 decisions of the Board of Immigration Appeals over six years; and 4215 decisions of the U.S. Courts of Appeal during 2004 and 2005. The analysis reveals significant disparities in grant rates, even when different adjudicators in the same office each considered large numbers of applications from nationals of the same country. In many cases, the most important moment in an asylum case is the instant in which a clerk randomly assigns an application to a particular asylum officer or immigration judge.  Using cross-tabulations based on public biographies, the paper also explores correlations between sociological characteristics of individual immigration judges and their grant rates. The cross tabulations show that the chance of winning asylum was strongly affected by whether or not the applicant had legal representation, by the gender of the immigration judge, and by the immigration judge's work experience prior to appointment."

The GAO study independently reached similar conclusions: 1) the outcome of an asylum case is mostly determined by which judge or official is assigned (which is random) and 2) the one strong determining factor the applicant has any control over: having a lawyer or not.


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