Yesterday I had two Mormon brothers knock on my door. I engaged in a very....very long porch conversation. I am looking for any further advice as to how to engage in a meaningful conversation to make them THINK about the flock they are following. Any ex-mo advice would be helpful. I know this is only the beginning and I am looking forward to the challenge.
If they've bought into that crock that is mormonism, there isn't anything you're likely to say to change their delusions.
I have been debating various “cults” over the years. I have tried debating Mormons and I must say they were the most deluded of them all. Within about a minute of entering my house they were kneeling in pray asking their god to reveal himself to “our brother Reg”. I started asking about their ability to hold a direct conversation with the creator of the Universe.......I actually felt sorry for them as they had only been in the country for a few days…first time away from home and they pick my house…Lol…if only they had read the notes the last crew would have compiled about me. I could not take too much of them so I gave them some Watchtower (ahem) brochures and they left. Too much like hard work for me. They really are from a different planet….. Kolob !!
Tell them that you noticed that they always refer to God as "Him." Ask if they believe God is male.
They will indignantly say,"Yes, or course!"
Next, ask if He has a penis. They will hesitate and, faced with no other alternative, will say, "Yes."
Then ask them what He uses it for.
Again, with some hesitation, they will say, as two once said to me, "For procreation."
Finally ask, "Oh, whom did God f&%k?"
They will leave.
Yeah, poor Joe. Now wonder they made him a saint. You wife gets pregnant and she says God did it. So that means Jesus had DNA directly from the boss. Egg from Heaven. Or was it 50% Mary, 50% God?, Her egg and a magic holy sperm. In the name of the father and his holy sperm.
"magic holy sperm".
I love that.
Belle, don't waste too much time (or any) with them. I was mormon and when you are in it fully, you are living in a simulacrum (alternate/virtual reality) so deeply ingrained that ANY outside or opposing views actually make the delusion stronger. It's a vicious cycle that keeps them trapped.
The best thing to do is ignore them and let them feel the social rejection until it reaches a point that they are humble enough to actually examine reality honestly. (I'm guessing that you are a certain someone that I knew in the past and would encourage you to not hide your identity just to be polite to me, if you are not that person then just ignore this strange side note.)
If you do want to actually start a debate with them then I recommend starting off with very simple and baby level philosophical questions like "How do you know what you know?" etc. See if they understand the basics of logical thinking and help them learn that if they are humble enough to learn about it. I hope my comments help. I'm not sure what else to say. Take it easy, life is short and you should focus on what really matters, your happiness and those that you love and their happiness. Peace. :)
@Nathan: Yes, well you know there are no secrets among sisters, lol...I'm glad she told you. Anyway I wasn't just trying to be polite to you, I needed a fresh start without any preconceived judgments, without criticism, and without...well, shame. But I'm stronger now as a person and I at least have the backbone to confront any criticism that may arise from it. I am not the same person I was last October by far....I'm taking this thread on a huge rabbit trail, I can feel it...anyway...yes. It's me. I suppose you deserve to know publicly. You also deserve to be thanked publicly because you helped me escape the chains of religious slavery. I was a slave. And now I am free. Thank you.
No problem :) I'm just smart enough to have figured it out myself a while ago, my sister didn't tell me anything about you so no worries. You can still trust her. I'm moving on emotionally as well. Life is great when you are free to follow your dreams. Take it easy. :)
Good for you Nathan. I'm happy for you. I really really am. I did tell her everything though...the whole story. The good and the bad of my own actions. All of it. and she still loves me despite myself. Me and her are sisters for life. That will never change.
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