Is the empowerment of women ALWAYS....ok...almost always...:)  for the betterment of society?

....You can guess

My answer Is....YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do you think?


For the purpose of this discussion: We must first define the empowerment of women. Please see this video. Women have only recently with the invention of modern medicine been able to control their reproductive health and choice. They have become much more equal in the workforce. They have been allowed to raise their children with infrastructure in place to aid them financially and emotionally. They have been given many rights that in previous generations were defaulted to the man, such as the right to vote, the right to join the armed forced and even the right to say no to sex and be heard. These rights have not come over night. But we now have them and many take them for granted. Myself included maybe. But the empowerment of women is more than just giving them rights. It's being able and willing as a society to recognize their humanity and honor it as just as important as a man's humanity. This means that special considerations must be made due to the nature of women as the child bearers and mothers. It doesn't mean special treatment or putting women above men, it means elevating them to a place where they can make the most of their lives and the lives of their children, and the society they live in. It means allowing them to use their unique skills and influence to counteract the sometimes male-dominated attitudes that prevail in public life, and it means that women MUST be respected for the natural born abilities they can bring to others, but even more so their ability to be authentically themselves without societal pressure to conform to old ways of thinking and living. It is the only way  our species will survive and has survived. Women have sought empowerment and have won in many ways, but in my opinion and the point of this discussion is to say that there is NEVER a circumstance where the empowerment of women would be detrimental to society, therefore it is ALWAYS for the betterment of society.

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So women in first world countries are already empowered enough?

does NOT empower women that is economically and politically propersous?

United Arab Emirates springs to mind... My uncle worked there for decades in a hospital. In fact, alot of the middle-east and arab countries are doing quite well economically and politically, largely owing to the large oil reserves in the region.

I agree that women in the third world need alot more empowering.

No or else we got too many Kim Kardashian women walking around.

She's not empowered, she's a skank. True empowerment is beautiful and uplifting to society. Women like Kim Kardashian inhibit the advancement of society with scandalous bullshit. Hollywood is not reality and just because a woman has money and can flaunt herself selfishly doesn't mean she's empowered. She's just a selfish woman who happens to have a bank account large enough to put herself out there. True empowerment uplifts women to where they can advance the well-being of others. First and foremost being their own children, secondly being society and the world.

Then one can say also that true empowerment uplifts men to where they can advance the well being of ofthers

I think it's important to define empowerment right from the get-go. We cannot possibly have a real conversation about empowerment unless we have a common understanding of definitions....see my next post...

There is a sufficient definition in the wiki article you linked... Oh well, onwards to the next page!

She's not empowered, she's a skank

She is exactly what she wants to be... I don't see how that doesn't fit into the definition of empowered.

See my update and then let me know if you feel the same way matt.

By Hitchen's definition, she is empowered... she has control of her health, she has no barriers imposed on her because of her gender.

To be fair, I'm not a fan of hers either.

But is Hitchen's definition enough? Is there room for improvement? Afterall it was taken a bit out of context among the backdrop of discussing poverty and religion. It proved a point and made a nice addition to my point, but it is by far not all encompassing to what true empowerment means or could mean for the human race.

But you're assuming that "empowering" somebody is always empowering them to do something healthy and positive. 

What definition would you suggest Belle?  It has to be succinct and catchy.  What are the results in society of the empowerment of women, in a nutshell?  The results in everyday life?  Sell it to us.  Why should people want it? 


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