Is the empowerment of women ALWAYS....ok...almost always...:)  for the betterment of society?

....You can guess

My answer Is....YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do you think?

Why?

For the purpose of this discussion: We must first define the empowerment of women. Please see this video. Women have only recently with the invention of modern medicine been able to control their reproductive health and choice. They have become much more equal in the workforce. They have been allowed to raise their children with infrastructure in place to aid them financially and emotionally. They have been given many rights that in previous generations were defaulted to the man, such as the right to vote, the right to join the armed forced and even the right to say no to sex and be heard. These rights have not come over night. But we now have them and many take them for granted. Myself included maybe. But the empowerment of women is more than just giving them rights. It's being able and willing as a society to recognize their humanity and honor it as just as important as a man's humanity. This means that special considerations must be made due to the nature of women as the child bearers and mothers. It doesn't mean special treatment or putting women above men, it means elevating them to a place where they can make the most of their lives and the lives of their children, and the society they live in. It means allowing them to use their unique skills and influence to counteract the sometimes male-dominated attitudes that prevail in public life, and it means that women MUST be respected for the natural born abilities they can bring to others, but even more so their ability to be authentically themselves without societal pressure to conform to old ways of thinking and living. It is the only way  our species will survive and has survived. Women have sought empowerment and have won in many ways, but in my opinion and the point of this discussion is to say that there is NEVER a circumstance where the empowerment of women would be detrimental to society, therefore it is ALWAYS for the betterment of society.

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I really think that women are put upon by society. Not only are they expected to provide the next generation but to do it at their own expense for no other reward than the love they get from their families. I think women should be paid to have children and to raise them. It should be a career that should be as well paid as any other career.They should also trained for the pursuit of their career in the same way that anyone else who pursues a career. After all, they are producing the most important product that society needs - the next generation.

I really think that people are put upon by society.  Men and women together provide the next generation.  Women are not expected to do it at their own expense, that is what child support is.  Men are expected to do it for no reward, not even the love of the children over whom they are highly unlikely to win custody.

I like the idea of people being trained to be better parents, but on whom do you think that expense should rest?  I think it probably ought to be the people responsible when feasible.  I know a lot of people do get paid to raise children.  Examples include nannies, or childcare specialists, or even teachers.  The literal labor part doesn't seem like the resource intensive portion of turning a fertilized egg into the member of society we need.

Men and women together provide the next generation. Women are not expected to do it at their own expense, that is what child support is. Men are expected to do it for no reward, not even the love of the children over whom they are highly unlikely to win custody.

Well, If you do a quick google, you will find that women do 70 to 80 percent of housework and more than 50 percent of child rearing duties. They are on the average expected to also work to pay expenses. The expemse should rest on the whole of society, paid for with taxes. If women were so empowered, we would have a much better society, less abortions and less divorces. Paying women for the labour involved in producing the next generation would remove most of the pressures from relationships. It is only fair that society accepts it's responsibility for the next generation.

 I think women should be paid to have children and to raise them. It should be a career that should be as well paid as any other career

I would love that!!! But then I am highly maternal and would love to be around kids all day...especially my own :)

You can in a sense get paid for becoming a foster parent. This is something I'm seriously looking into. I want to take in teenagers and give them a family...when they turn 18 I will legally adopt them and so on and so on...and take in as many as I can...right now it's just a dream of mine that I'm working towards. The classes are provided at no charge and the training is all free and high quality. So in a sense you can be a parent and be paid to do it...

I don't think anyone has yet added this. It very much makes your case that empowering women is making change throughout the world right now, by means that you would not expect.

Thanks for posting! I enjoyed watching that.

That was pretty awesome. I'm probably one of the anomalies...When I traveled to a third world country I was in bliss...never wanted to leave. I would have washed clothes by hand every day of my life and made my own clothes and lives like the natives...I never ever wanted to leave. The minute I arrived back in the US I felt the happiness get stifled out...there was something so beautiful in the simplicity of living with so little. I would live there in a heartbeat...maybe I will some day....I guess i'm weird. LOL!!!

I know the feeling, Belle - people couldn't understand why I lived in Mexico, I couldn't understand why they didn't.

I worked in San Diego and drove home to a villa on the sea, west of Tijuana - there were seven hills between the western city limits, and my sleepy little town, and as I drove those twelve or so miles, I could just feel the tension lifting off my  shoulders, and when I topped that final hill, and saw the whole Pacific ocean spread out before me, I knew that I was home.

Sounds like a dream Arch...one of these days I'll live like that...sigh

It was, I was happier there than I've ever been since.

(BTW - hope your ears aren't burning: http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/why-do-atheists-ask-for-so...)

LOL!!! 'stas loco Arch, - si - I was very lucky to have come out the other side...I still can't believe it myself. My loss of faith happened SOOO quickly it is still sinking in. I'm not sure if that's normal, but anyway...I am probably the exception rather than the rule. That seems to be my lot in life.

RE: "'stas loco Arch" - Siempre

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