I'm not talking about marijuana, I am talking about the hard-core drugs like Meth, Crack, etc. I am against drug usage but I have a question. What do you all think that proper punishment should be for abusers and dealers? (EDIT: I am meaning the ones that commit crimes while on the drugs or the ones that commit crimes to get the drugs. And should the dealers be just as accountable because they provided them with the drug?)

I recently watched a documentary about meth, and the officials in Thailand have simply killed off many of the users.

I personally know quite a few meth addicts here in the U.S. that, after serving their sentence for being "busted", have returned to drug abuse. Obviously, rehab and prison isn't working. 

According to the website ncvc.org, 81% of crimes are drug-related. What, in your opinion, is the best solution for punishment and what can our authority figures do to get things under control?

 

 

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Legalize drugs so those who want them can get them without stealing from others, because the cost of producing them is minuscule compared to the cost of making them illegal.

Some recreational drugs are just too dangerous to legalize... The creation of such drugs should be illegal definitely,  taking the drugs and having the drugs on hand should not but it should lead to investigation of that person to see if they are making them... More so monitoring Addicts of such drugs would be like a suicide watch... making a call to them every once in a while to see if they are okay.. This should be in fact carried out by their families who knows a little bit of attention here and there might make them at least try to quit.. 

There is practically to justification to claim that illicity drugs are inherently "too dangerous" or more dangerous than pharmaceutically provided drugs. Here's just a sampling of numbers:

Meth: Data reported to DAWN by participating medical examiners show that between 1992 and 1994, methamphetamine-related deaths more than doubled, going from 224 to 508 (Table 1). Between 1994 and 1995, overall the number of deaths reported fell by 4 percent (to 487 in 1995).

Pain killers: In 2002, over 16,000 people died in the USA as a result of drug overdoses, with most deaths related to opioids, heroin, and cocaine. Opioids surpassed both cocaine and heroin in extent of involvement in these drug overdoses between 1999 and 2002.

According the The Lancet standards in assessing drug harmfulness (Physical harm to the user,  Addictive potential, Overall impact on society)

Ranked, the ten most dangerous substances were deemed to be:


1-Heroin - popular street names include smack, skag, and junk.
2-Cocaine - often referred to as snow, flake, coke, and blow.
3-Barbiturates - popular slang names include yellow jackets, reds, blues, Amy's, and rainbows.
4-Street Methadone
5-Alcohol
6-Ketamine - a powerful hallucinogen, often referred to as Special K.
7-Benzodiazepines - a family of sedative drugs.
8-Amphetamines - known as greenies among baseball players.
9-Tobacco
10-Buprenorphine - also called bupe or subbies.

The remaining drugs that were assessed in this study ranked as follows:


1-Cannabis - includes marijuana.
2-Solvents - volatile substances that can be inhaled, such as glue, nail polish remover, paints, hair spray, and lighter fuel (gas).
3-4-MTA - is a derivative of amphetamine and has similar effects to ecstasy.
4-LSD
5-Methylphenidate - central nervous system stimulant, commonly sold as ritalin.
6-Anabolic steroids
7-GHB - short for Gamma hydroxybutyrate, a powerful central nervous system depressant, most commonly known as the date rape drug.
8-Ecstasy
9-Alkyl nitrates - group of drugs commonly referred to as poppers.
10-Khat - an amphetamine-like stimulant.

It is estimated that tobacco causes 40 percent of all hospital illnesses, while alcohol is involved in more than 50 percent of all visits to hospital emergency rooms.


Being "anti-drug" is no more a valid stance than being "anti-premarital sex".

Being "anti-drug" is no more a valid stance than being "anti-premarital sex".

 

WOW!

 

I am only anti-drug to the ones that pose a threat to others when an individual decides to use the drug.

Threat is a relative thing, to puritanicals sex poses a threat to the soul.

My mother smoked three packs of king size legal cigarettes per day when I lived at home. She harmed me. I spent 17 years of being sick and coughing 6 months per year. My mom was is addicted to cigarettes, and like ex-alcoholics, then are NEVER ex-alcoholics, they are simply on and off the wagon. Addictions are for life.

So look at addictions, don't look at drugs, drug abuse is but a symptom of addictive personalities, and addictive personalities are strained by the mere fact of existence.

GOOD POINT! Never thought of it that way.
and you can be an X anything if you want to. to call drinking or smoking or being a dope fiend a disease is admiting you are helpless and that is a crock. that is the same B S that AA spreads around and it is for people (usually religious) who need an excuse. just dont take the substance and you have none of the problems. you are in charge of you, it might not be easy but nothing of value ever is. i was a dope fiend for 20 + years, got sent to prison twice for (using and having) lots of dope, been straight now for 5 years with no desire to ever use meth or coke again and i got this way not by praying, not by some miracle but by me making a fundamental change in the way i think.. boom, just like that.. sure it was tough at first but as with anything it gets easier after time and when you own it the way i do its valueable beyond belief meaning some little bullshit isnt going to bring me down off my success. Now when you subscribe to the thot that you are flawed and only god or AA or some Dr. can help you you will only have limited success because you have already errected an escape route on your journey...South park does a great episode on this, the whole disease concept and how it IS a crock of SH**
Was wondering exactly how you changed the way you think. Through therapy? Self-help?
I believe something like 94% of those who have tried illegal drugs do not develop dependency. Seems that it is more a psychological and social issue than a medical problem.

but its not the drugs that you should be against its the behavior ... fools are fools on drugs or not. the war on drugs or to be anti drug is a pipe dream. in fact a person who has the guts to try something new should never be put down or else we would still be in the stone age. anti drug sounds so Nancey Regan 

 The war on drugs is how the right works hard at regulating the left. The consumption of a chemical in order to produce a predecided affect on the brain should be a fundamental right of a citizen of this country, however its not.

I think that the behavior of some addicts is so extreme that it would create even more problems. It also wouldn't solve the theft problem. If they legalize the drug, the user will still need money to buy it from the dealer or the supplies to make it.
I think a big problem is the dealers. Drugs of this type are completely unable to be regulated because they are so dangerous they would never be accepted through the FDA.. Marijuana on the other hand could be easily if not for the lobbies against it.. The legalization of marijuana would also cut down on the use of the other more dangerous drugs.. at least I would hope so anyway..

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