I'm not talking about marijuana, I am talking about the hard-core drugs like Meth, Crack, etc. I am against drug usage but I have a question. What do you all think that proper punishment should be for abusers and dealers? (EDIT: I am meaning the ones that commit crimes while on the drugs or the ones that commit crimes to get the drugs. And should the dealers be just as accountable because they provided them with the drug?)
I recently watched a documentary about meth, and the officials in Thailand have simply killed off many of the users.
I personally know quite a few meth addicts here in the U.S. that, after serving their sentence for being "busted", have returned to drug abuse. Obviously, rehab and prison isn't working.
According to the website ncvc.org, 81% of crimes are drug-related. What, in your opinion, is the best solution for punishment and what can our authority figures do to get things under control?
Trying to figure out what makes addicts use drugs and then work on solving those motives . Some addicts will do everything to come up with a new drug when no drugs are around !!
Soldiers in my country when dispached to the southern Sahara of Morocco creat crazy formulas from local herbs to suffice their needs , as for alcohol, they replace it with a brand of perfume traficked from Algeria ... some who have never used any drugs or even smoked will use those drugs I mentioned if put in similar conditions ( soldiers in my example ...)
So punishing people for someting they cannot control is not the right solution ; even emprisoning all the drug dealers of the world will not solve the problem because people wwill creat their own formulas .
Consulting and psychological help available for all ,may give better results although I am not sure it will solve the problem ?? punishment ( jail) has proved to be a bad method of tackling the problem , people come out of prison more addictive than before .
Higher prices would just yield more poeple cooking it up at home and it wouldn't solve any theft issues.
It has been tried, cigarettes! small to moderate tax hikes translated to less use, but larger tax hikes simply shifted point of sale. High taxes created a black market for a legal drug!
You've shifted your argument, you originally stated: taxed up so high (so expensive) that they would be out of reach for say 95% of people
that's a completely different scenario, and nothing like how Holland is!!!
Overtaxing has its negative consequences too. In Canada cigarette taxing was high enough that cigarette companies created a cigarette black market. Their cigarettes leave the factory and conveniently get lost and wind up on native reserves and in third world countries.
The point of drug decriminalisation is to facilitate and increase the availability of the least harmful drugs in other to reduce desire for deadly drugs.
Are the 'drug related' crimes the taking of the drug itself or actual crimes derived from drugs? This idea often confuses the stats on drug crimes, especially in a country that jails a person just for the act of consumption or trafficking. Put simply, criminalising drug taking often creates criminals. The person may now begin to enact a criminal identity where without criminalisation there may not have been one to enact. It would be interesting to know how many people are arrested for Alcohol related crimes and if this is related to the legal status of the drug.
It was common in the past to think of drug taking as a genetic, moral or criminal issue that can be solved through punishment (including elimination of the person). However, due to the high relapse rate and potential for crime creation, many studies have come to the conclusion that drug dependent people cannot be 'cured' as such. Instead they recommend a 'harm minimisation' regime in which you attempt to make the drug taking activities of the addict safer (healthwise: pure drugs, needle exchanges, shooting galleries etc), less dangerous to others and decriminalised. There has been some success with these programs, at least at lowering the crime rate associated with addictive drug use. Some critiques suggest that this does not move towards resolving the root issue (drug addiction) or that some of these programs encourage others to initiate drug taking because of the light penalties and social acceptance. There is also still the issue of funds to buy the drug, addicts often have difficulty working and they may need other social supports to avoid crime.
Honestly not sure what the answer is, but the current tactic of criminalisation is definitely not working, we need to have some major (sensible) discussions about this, but with a topic this hot, its extremely difficult (Though any Atheist should be used to controversy by now).
Creating a criminal identity is a huge problem in our society and it goes way beyond just drugs. The schooling system is rife with. But the worst is our systems of juvenile detention. Taking kids with slightly "off-norm" behaviours and criminalising them, practically creating new criminals in the process! It is a sad state of affairs.
It is however an inherent part of a capitalist system with private jails. The owners of those jails must fill them to make money, and their lobbies will back any policy which increases incarceration rates, no matter the nature of the behaviour.
Actually, this is precisely wrong :)
It's about unchecked ideology. No progressive would lean back and say 'This seems to be working, let's put more money into to war on drugs.'