I'm not talking about marijuana, I am talking about the hard-core drugs like Meth, Crack, etc. I am against drug usage but I have a question. What do you all think that proper punishment should be for abusers and dealers? (EDIT: I am meaning the ones that commit crimes while on the drugs or the ones that commit crimes to get the drugs. And should the dealers be just as accountable because they provided them with the drug?)
I recently watched a documentary about meth, and the officials in Thailand have simply killed off many of the users.
I personally know quite a few meth addicts here in the U.S. that, after serving their sentence for being "busted", have returned to drug abuse. Obviously, rehab and prison isn't working.
According to the website ncvc.org, 81% of crimes are drug-related. What, in your opinion, is the best solution for punishment and what can our authority figures do to get things under control?
so I think punishment is more realistic... and that isn't even going into my idea that prisoners have too many rights
last time I was in jail... I sat around and watched a plasma TV all day
The right to vote of convicts is a separate and very interesting topic. Generally, I feel that once one foregoes their responsibilities to their community, they also forego their rights. They go hand in hand.
Have you looked into the project to create a "Statue of Responsibility"?
The USA civilisation is entirely based on rights and liberties, but responsibility has been forgotten, with dire consequences. One cannot exist without the other in a state of balance.
I too think that the vote issue is a side topic, although I agree with you.
Regarding treatment, we don't treat every person who abuses alcohol (a legal and dangerous drug) and we won't treat everyone who uses other drugs. However, I agree, the potential to treat abusers is totally removed from the table under the current structure. If you want to get treatment, you risk losing everything. If you want to get treatment for your loved ones, you risk being the catalyst to the the criminal justice avalanche.
What we can say conclusively is that the war on drugs has FAILED to do anything more than create a permanent criminal class out of even casual drug users. It's absurd.
Hello. I am JD and I am an addict. I used meth for almost 3 years at about 50-150 a day. I can't disagree with the killing of methheads in Thailand, as meth harbors a lot of terrible people OR people that have learned to be terrible. I say this knowing that they already have strict laws there and that sounds about in line for how they treat criminals there.
As far as personal experience with meth, I actually researched it before using it and educated myself on it. This may actually be why I was able to quit on my own. Meth targets your pleasure center and releases chemicals that trigger bliss. Here is the problem with that (and this is a theory based on education and first-hand experience): it all depends on what you find pleasurable. It is commonly inferred that methheads are unpredictable and chaotic. It is my personal opinion that they are actually very driven and single-minded. Once you have triggered the pleasure center of a person with meth... they are not JUST going to get happy. The will instead engage or submerse themselves in what it is that they find most pleasurable, or fight to get to what makes them happy. This gets associated to the drug in question and then the two go hand in hand. So you can reliably count on a methhead doing exactly what they want and feel like doing. This also gets more difficult when you introduce this to someone not predisposed to their baser instincts. The person that takes pleasure in manipulating will possibly produce a person that tells elaborate lies on meth. Meth has a way of making you forget you have skeletons OR that you keep your skeletons put away for a reason. Methheads that beat up their girlfriends were likely misogynous assholes before hand, even if no one realized it.
Now that I have given you a little input on where I am coming from: prison.
I also happen to be an ex-con. Did nearly 8 years before turning 18. I was a hellion. I was first introduced to drugs while locked up at 11. Huffing was my first time. While I was locked up, I learned enough to become just about any kind of criminal I wanted to become. Drugs was one of the staple educations amid all of that. So prison never will work... nor jail. My last drug dealer made more contacts every time she went in. I even made contacts the last time I was in.
This is why (and to the shock of a lot of people that know me) I believe in stricter punishment for the crime. Drugs included. The prisons are overfilling because the penalties are too light, so its no problem to do a stretch of time for drugs. Additionally, marijuana should be legal. Seriously. I have never met a reformed pot head NOR have I met one that was a public threat due to pot.
As for the laws and punishment: if you were on a drug when committing a crime (AFTER pot is made legal) you get the maximum penalty automatically. If on pot or alcohol, your minimum sentencing is raised up to half of the sentencing range (ie suggested sentence 3-5 years becomes 4-5 years). Anytime someone is harmed or killed while under the influence, automatic maximum sentence.
You see, I am an addict. Since becoming sober (and genuinely wanting to BE sober) I have no problem telling you this: treating people like they are not fully responsible while on drugs is garbage. They chose to be out of control and participating in the drugs, so everything they did whether they were aware, conscious, blacked-out... whatever; all of it was entirely their fault where ever their fault can be proven. There is no trial to make the drug face charges, so the drug should NEVER get blamed. It all comes down to the accountability of the user.
for more on my views of drugs: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/7764942/addiction_and_the_...