I'm not talking about marijuana, I am talking about the hard-core drugs like Meth, Crack, etc. I am against drug usage but I have a question. What do you all think that proper punishment should be for abusers and dealers? (EDIT: I am meaning the ones that commit crimes while on the drugs or the ones that commit crimes to get the drugs. And should the dealers be just as accountable because they provided them with the drug?)

I recently watched a documentary about meth, and the officials in Thailand have simply killed off many of the users.

I personally know quite a few meth addicts here in the U.S. that, after serving their sentence for being "busted", have returned to drug abuse. Obviously, rehab and prison isn't working. 

According to the website ncvc.org, 81% of crimes are drug-related. What, in your opinion, is the best solution for punishment and what can our authority figures do to get things under control?

 

 

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Drug testing is one of those scientific mythologies, each drug has different lifespans in the system, so by doing drug testing for long lifespan drugs, companies are also controlling off-duty activities.

In addition, The documentary I just watched, The Union, makes a very interesting point regarding drug testing. 90% of blood test results which come back positive are positive for marijuana. The point is made that most hard drugs are out of the blood system within days or even hours, like meth, whereas marijuana remains in the blood for nearly a month.

In essence, blood testing only really works against marijuana, hence having a complete reverse effect to its desired effect, that is encouraging people to use harder drugs in order to get a high without being detectable!

I had no idea that harder didn't remain as long. I don't have any experience with any users/abusers other than meth. I don't know anything about heroine, acid, crack, etc. I know many marijuana users and quite a few steroid users. I have no problem with either of these "drugs".

So my reason for this post (and my saying that I am against drug usage) is that meth addicts scare the hell out of me. It alters people's behavior severely. I have seen great people get addicted and loose everything. I have had a friend that I love and trusted for years take money from me. I guess that the fear that more people could get on this drug is terrifying to me. I know you can't believe what you see from the media, but if other drugs are near this bad, I don't want them distributed around here (legally or illegally).

 

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I am so happy we have had this discussion. I have learned some interesting things because I am not familiar with any drugs other than meth. It is the drug that I despise. The arguments for legalizing or decriminalizing drug usage have made me seriously think about this topic. Since I have always heard that drugs are "bad" and it would be terrible to legalize them, I never put any more thought into it. I don't have an addictive personality. Eventhough I have tried cigarettes, pot, and (way back in the day) ecstasy, I never found a reason to continue using. I guess I can never know how it feels to have the desire to continuously use a substance.

I still hate meth and don't want it sold at stores. I don't want it anywhere around me. It and its users/abusers scare me and I can usually tell when someone is on it. I am constantly wondering what they are gonna do next and their behavior makes me very uncomfortable. Until I know all of the facts about the other drugs, I will refrain from forming an opinion on them :)

To me the key question with regard to this issue as well as the issue of why people continue to believe in god after they are no longer children is this:  Why are so many people so unhappy that they can't deal with their lives?  Could it be because they live in a society controlled by the insane?  That spends most of its resources fighting over control of those same resources?  This is not to say that "society is responsible" and recommend that there be no rules against harmful behaviors, merely that it is clear that our society has some screwed up priorities.
I don't think it is fair to say that all people who take drugs do it because they can't deal with their lives. Sure, some do, but other get addicted because of peer pressure, curiosity, and other reasons.

Addiction is a biochemical malfunction of the brain, curiosity never addicted anyone that wasn't a addict to begin with. Addicts are born addicts and will either live it out or fight it all their lives. Curiosity has nothing at all to do with addiction, that is simply physiological misinformation. My mother and sister will be addicts all their life, my brother and I will never be. We all had the same societal pressure, we're all curious (except my non curious addictive mom), and we've all tried everything (except my my addictive mom).

Peer pressure and curiosity can only take your behaviour so far, the rest has to be within you.

I have to wonder about how hard coded addiction really is.  If it really is just a chemical malfunction in the brain then shouldn't medical science be able to find a 'cure'?  We have drugs that greatly reduce the symptoms of schizophrenia for many people.  Why can't we find a drug that can reduce the symptoms of biochemical addiction?
We don't have a cure for cancer, and that's pretty prevalent... there are many health problems we cannot cure...
I do agree, but I wasn't talking about addiction. I don't think everyone who does drugs are addicted. I know people who do them just to appease their friends and when they leave that group they stop. I've just noticed a lot of people think that people who do drugs are unhappy with life and that isn't the case. That was all I was getting at.

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