I'm not talking about marijuana, I am talking about the hard-core drugs like Meth, Crack, etc. I am against drug usage but I have a question. What do you all think that proper punishment should be for abusers and dealers? (EDIT: I am meaning the ones that commit crimes while on the drugs or the ones that commit crimes to get the drugs. And should the dealers be just as accountable because they provided them with the drug?)

I recently watched a documentary about meth, and the officials in Thailand have simply killed off many of the users.

I personally know quite a few meth addicts here in the U.S. that, after serving their sentence for being "busted", have returned to drug abuse. Obviously, rehab and prison isn't working. 

According to the website ncvc.org, 81% of crimes are drug-related. What, in your opinion, is the best solution for punishment and what can our authority figures do to get things under control?

 

 

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No one said casual use of a symptom of unhappiness... not that I've noticed. I only see heavy use as indicative of underlying problems :)

If all users of drugs were casual users, there would be no "problem" to be solved by drug laws--except, of course, problems such as the "problem" with marijuana, which was that people with brown skin tended to be the ones who smoked it.

 

IOW, it is those unhappy souls who can't or won't control their usage that cause this to be an issue.

With most human traits, you have people on either end of the spectrum and then you have those in the middle that share some of the characteristics from each extreme.  Some traits may have a relatively simple "on or off" switch, but that doesn't seem very common--or likely.

I've never before heard of a 'middle ground' between being an addict or not, what would that be? Is there a middle ground for being an alcoholic or not?

Depends on what you mean. 

 

I do know that circumstances can trigger other behaviors and conditions, which implies that those behaviors and conditions might have never manifested themselves under other circumstances. 

 

I also know that a small percentage (I read 5% or so) of alcoholics spontaneously (if that is the right word) quit drinking every year.  My guess is that circumstances trigger this as well.

 

I know that some people are "functioning alcoholics" who manage to control their drinking just enough not to suffer severe consequences from it in other aspects of their lives.

 

Combine these facts with the fact that human traits are not like light switches, and I think you have to conclude that addiction or non-addiction isn't predetermined in all people.

I think that if you tell someone that they can't take drugs (of any kind) that is the same thing as saying,"You don't own your body! The Government does!" All drugs should be legalized.
We could do what Germany does. I noticed this when I lived there, that cops will give out a small amount of drugs to drug addicts. Not a lot so that they can sell it, but just enough to keep them from becoming violent. Then they keep records of who shows up for drugs.

In Eastern Oregon, because of farming a lot of anhydrous ammonia is around. There is also a lot of space so cooking meth isn't smelled by neighbors. 

Meth is a scourge. The best way to eradicate it is to prohibit the manufacture of pseudoephedrine. Other pharmaceuticals are effective antihistamines.

Oregon, Washington, and California have enacted laws to limit the sale of pseudoephedrine. Perhaps such laws are needed in other states as well.

 

 

 

Canada has lots of farming and lots of open space...

YAY! We are back on track! Stopping the production of this medicine might put a stop to the production of meth, at least temporarily, until they find another substance to make it with. I have heard that Pseudoephedrine doesn't even contain any of the ephedra plant.

I wonder how bad the meth problem is across the country. It may be a more popular in rural areas... I'ma go google it and read some stats.

But, sudafed is great when you need it!
I haven't tried nasacort. I love that sudafed makes me stop "snotting" lol! I'm sure if we ban it, they will find something else to get high on. They'll try mixing everything with household chemicals.

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