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Permalink Reply by Doug Brunt on February 7, 2011 at 9:41pm

I won't go into it fully for time’s sake and not keeping u waiting. You realize I could write a book on that Parable?

The Israelites of the time thought the Messiah was coming to free them from the romans because of misinterpreted prophecies in the Old testament about bringing a sword and fire ectra and they thought there was going to be a uprising . So Jesus spoke that parable. If he spoke literally he would I’ve been put to death and it wasn’t the right time.

That might make more sense to the reader if i say the minas are spiritaul truths

Come on, lets be fair. I just posted the full passage of what he was saying.I havent really explained it but lets cut this short.

Is there anything in the parable saying christians should kill. And Jesus killed on earth while he was here ?

Permalink Reply by Ryan E. Hoffman on February 8, 2011 at 3:54am

You're not the only one who could write a book on that parable. There are plenty of historians who already have. You must be forgetting something... Jesus was put to death. After riding in on a donkey (symbolic of Jewish warrior messiah, he knew what he was doing) the Romans and the high priests on the take took him out.

 

Are you implying that I haven't read the entire parable before, so it was generous of you to post the whole thing? Not sure what your point is with that. I believe the part about killing people in front of the master says that they should kill. Are you serious? And answer my question, is there anything I can say that will change your mind?

Permalink Reply by Doug Brunt on February 8, 2011 at 6:05am

Genesis 49:11
He will tether his donkey to a vine, his colt to the choicest branch; he will wash his garments in wine, his robes in the blood of grapes.
Genesis 49:10-12 (in Context) Genesis 49 (Whole Chapter)
Job 11:12

But the witless can no more become wise than a wild donkey’s colt can be born human.
Job 11:11-13 (in Context) Job 11 (Whole Chapter)
Zechariah 9:9
[ The Coming of Zion’s King ] Rejoice greatly, Daughter Zion! Shout, Daughter Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
Zechariah 9:8-10 (in Context) Zechariah 9 (Whole Chapter)

In old testament times they called a male foal a colt so that contradiction needs to be taken off that list. the donkey was used by the pagans and the israelites so I don't know what the point is. Jesus forefills prophecy

Permalink Reply by Doug Brunt on February 8, 2011 at 6:40am

He gathers his servants to his country the spiritaul kingdom. Its judgement day.

God is a God of Justice  and he wipes out evil so theres no wars suffering again. But your going to say God is cruel. In pure positivity you can't have negativity and in pure negativity you can't have positivity. At the moment we have a mixture of  both.

But God steps in just before man destroys the world.

And everyone who was murded inoncently will get Justice.

Permalink Reply by Pope OoO (Out of Order) on February 8, 2011 at 7:42pm

And everyone who was murded inoncently will get Justice.

This one scares me the most. So a true believer can kill me while expecting that God will just fix any errors of faulty judgment? Even worse, might that kind of thinking enable an eschatologist (like Sarah Palin) in the white house feel more free to push the nuclear war button?

 

Permalink Reply by Ryan E. Hoffman on February 7, 2011 at 1:50am

Word, Michel. Considering the orders he was rumored to have been a part of in history due to the language used, it is highly probable that he did, or at least ordered the deaths of people.

 

I feel guilty even quoting Gospel, because the earliest one was written forty years after his death. People can't even get Reagan right in the Information Age and he left office twenty three years ago.

Permalink Reply by Doug Brunt on February 8, 2011 at 12:12am

You feel guilty why ?

Permalink Reply by Ryan E. Hoffman on February 8, 2011 at 3:47am

I said why. Because it's such an unreliable source and it's borderline intellectually dishonest to source it even if I'm arguing against it. Imagine writing a biography on FDR based on what a couple of your grandparents had to say of him as your only source. None of his speeches written down, none of his treaties, his entire history wiped out. All you had to go on was a few people's memories. Do you think you could get everything he said and did right with 100% accuracy? People can't even do it now with information readily available.

Permalink Reply by Doug Brunt on February 8, 2011 at 5:25am

Your an Athesit and you feel guilty.

When I said I was sorry did you forgive me ?

 

No I'm not implying I'm generous. You need the start of the parrable to understand the end.

Permalink Reply by Ryan E. Hoffman on February 8, 2011 at 9:36am

Yes, guilt is an emotion. Atheists have those too. Forgiveness is also a human action. Atheists can do that too. Are you seeking my forgiveness for something? I'm pretty sure I let it slide at the start. 

 

You have not posted a logical explanation for the end yet. You only keep asking questions. Answer mine. Is there anything I can say that will change your mind?

Permalink Reply by Doug Brunt on February 9, 2011 at 5:39am

i missed that !

Jesus orderded the deaths of people when ?

Permalink Reply by Jesus Lee Roth on February 7, 2011 at 11:36am

He didn't kill anyone, because he never existed.

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