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You make some good points, however, the problem comes in the contradictions in the Bible and other religious holy books. The books have such fundamental contradictions as to allow individuals to interpret them for whatever they want.
One of the things I have noticed as an atheist is [and this is a metaphor to make a point]... that for most theists... God is their reflection. They project themselves onto God.
Neil, may I warn you to be very sure of your "facts" relating to Hitler & Christianity - or else I might get a final written warning from Adriana !
George Bell was the Bishop of Chichester during WW2 (a cathedral city very near where I live), and he was a friend of Dietrich Bonhoeffer (who was killed by the Nazis) :
There was nothing - absolutely nothing - Christian about Hitler or his Nazism. To think otherwise is to be dangerously blind to realities.
If you don't believe in evil, open your eyes to what happened in Europe in WW2 - throwing a baby up in the air, and bayoneting it in front of its mother & other villagers - and laughing at the same time.
And that's only what was seen in public.
So please be very careful here.
I think you have your eyes wide shut Neil - and have a serious misunderstanding about what a Christian is, and what Christianity is about.
To put this in simple words that even you might understand - a Christian is a follower of Christ, and Christianity is the religion which upholds the principles of Christ's teaching.
Hitler & his Nazi henchman were evil - and one way that evil manifested itself was through the manipulation of the minds of a proud people, which included its Church - primarily through the control weapon of propaganda & fear.
Let's make things more up to date for you ; Bush & Blair profess themselves Christians. No more said.
As I said, eyes wide shut.
Human beings are killers, everyone of us. I'm not
playing nice anymore.
Time out from each other.
I'm not going to boot you both entirely out of the discussion, but I am going to give you both a warning.
No more communication with each other for 24 hours.
Both of you get your head on straight.
Debate the issue, not the person.....
and if you can't do that, then bow out until you can.
24 hours better pass before I see either of you reply to the other.
For nearly 1800 of those 2000, science was inseparable from religion.
Without religion we'd have a smaller population (me likey), what with the millions and millions of abortions blocked through the years.
Such statements as 'religion has done only harm' are counterproductive to any conversation. Religion is the tool of patriarchy to manipulate people and resources without the ability to defend themselves.
I am possibly more anti-religious than most here, as IMO 'religious tolerance' and 'freedom of religion' are both oxymorons and have no place in modern civilisation. But to say that in the past religion ONLY did wrong simply historical revisionism, and Dawkins does it ALL the time which is an even bigger disservice to the atheist community at large. We claim to be stickler of facts, then let's walk the talk.