I haven't created a topic for a while, but I have wanted to tackle this argument for such a long time. I do not really understand why many people on this forum are so hostile to religion; perhaps their emotions prevent them from being objective?

Does Religion brainwash people? I used to say 'Of course not!' but the difinition of brain washing is this: "forcible indoctrination into a new set of attitudes and beliefs" and I would say that religion does brainwash its believers, to a degree. We first have to ask the question 'is brain washing such a bad thing?' 

Education brainwashes us to accept and believe things also, let me give you an example:

Teacher: In the Pacific we have a country called Japan, Tokyo, the capital city has over 20 million people.

Student: How do you know Japan exists?

Teacher: I have read about it and seen pictures

Student: So you have not seen Japan before?

Teacher: No.

Student: And you do not know anyone who has seen or been to Japan?

Teacher: No.

Student: Then why should we believe you?

(Now the student has dared to question the teacher's authority and the teacher will be quick to tell him that he is wrong and the teacher is always right).

Why does a student believe x? Because his teacher tells him so; not because he has any tangible evidence.

(You may argue that we have evidence for Japan's existence, but I am talking about a child who does not always understand the difference between empirical and metaphysical evidence).

 

So religion brainwashes kids, just like education does.

This sought of brainwashing can be challenged. For example, most of you come from a religious background, and if you were successfully brainwashed you would not of left your religion. 

 

However, what does brainwash people is society; it brainwashes you to eat with a fork, instead of chopsticks. To think to be beautiful you have to whiter, instead of darker (which is ugly). It brainwashes you with saying 'thank you' after someone gives you a gift. 

Dare I say, if my parents brainwashed me, it was definitely my manners and the way I spoke. Most children do not challenge the idea of a God, so parents do not invest a lot of time in telling them that God is real; God is real and that is an accepted fact. But manners are a tricky thing and may take a few wooden spoons to get the idea that saying 'please' is good idea.

I was never in trouble for my beliefs in God; I accepted what my parents thought!

 

I would like to show a list of my beliefs which I believed from 5-10 years of age:

1. 6 day creation was a fact

2. Homosexuals are going to 'hell' (Being a SDA we do not believe in a typical type of hell)

3. Non-Sabbath keepers are going to hell

4. SDA's had the full truth

5. The Catholic church is evil

6. I was going to be a prohpet (Yes, that is what I actually wanted to be, of course I kept that to myself, mostly)

7. That a devil existed (Now I am not too sure)

8. That it was a sin to do anything on the Sabbath, and one had to wear a suit

9. That it was a sin to eat pork

10. The Bible should be read literally

11. The Adventist's interpretation of Revelation and Daniel is correct

12. It is a sin to drink

 

All 12 beliefs I had, I no longer have anymore, most of these were central pillars in my belief system, and yet today I do not believe in them.

 

So yes religion does brainwash people, but just like education, and does not successfully brainwash people and certain ideas and beliefs can be readily challenged.

Views: 3064

Reply to This

Replies to This Discussion

Ban me witch burner!  It is ok for many to insult me but I reply to an insult and I get banned?  Interesting you arguments indeed must be weak.
He wasn't a troll, just someone you ganged up upon.
Despite all of the fancy name calling and slanderous remarks I have yet to have one person demonstrate that brainwashing does not occur to atheist as well as religious. 
Of course it does. To claim otherwise would be preposterous. Some totalitarian regimes have promoted atheism as a matter of official policy. There is evidence that atheists tend to be more intelligent than religious fundamentalists, but this difference would be probabilistic, not absolute. For one thing, as I believe you have alluded, not every atheist becomes an atheist as a result of critical thinking. For example, some become atheists because their parents are atheists.

The result of brainwashing is the involuntary acquisition of concepts and ideas by forcible means that require - amongst others - that identity be weakened and critical thinking defeated. Maybe some of us have been through such a process and recovered or are recovering from it, but for most people it has not been the case. Conditioning, indoctrination, social and cultural pressures, sure, but BRAINWASHING?

So if many have been through the process once and are recovered or are recovering from it?  What has changed since then?  Are you now exempt because of an increase in IQ or because you FEEL as though you are exempt?  Once again emotions win out over logic.  As stated by Sophia many regimes have forcibly indoctrinated their populations to be atheists.  Now am I saying that you personally are brainwashed?  No I do not believe this is the case but if you truly have an open mind you must accept the possibility that it can occur especially since you state it has occurred to some present here.  Believing something is not true is different from it being factually untrue.  IT is a FACT that people have been brainwashed into being atheist at times throughout history.  

A Fact: At times throughout history is not equal to all the time during millenia.

I do not recall saying that at all times throughout history people are forced into atheism.  Thanks for clarifying my argument.

 

 

The societies mentioned were not "maybe" atheist.  Atheism was forced by the state.  This is similar to religion being forced down a young child's throat.  Am I aware of people who have become atheist due to peer pressure? 

 

People become atheists by themselves, by facing their own mortality their own thruths, mostly alone and many in closets?"

 

   You had better say SOME people become atheist by themselves.  History.  If you had the opportunity to convert a Muslim to atheism on this site you would probably celebrate by having a cold beer and rejoicing because the lost sheep has returned home.  At times throughout history.. yeah sure.. Thanks for the concession.  My friend until you learn to look at things with an open-mind and consider facts all you have undergone is another religious experience.

justadude's Page

justadude is no longer a member of Think Atheist.

 

 

This Just shouts troll to me.. 

This place is starting to look overrun by religious roaches.
This place is starting to look overrun by religious roaches.

Such as? What is the point of dehumanizing religious people (e.g., "roaches")? Would you be okay if religious Jews in particular were referred to as roaches?

 

I am an atheist, because I see no reason to believe in God. The evidence is utterly lacking. Of course, I suppose it is possible that there is a God. Then again, it is quite possible that unicorns exist but we simply have yet to find the critters!

 

One of the most potentially effective methods for draining the swamp of fundamentalism would be to take humane, democratic, and even voluntary steps to raise the average IQ of the pertinent population group. Those of you who say that denial of the fact of evolution is negatively correlated with IQ are correct. This is why blacks, for example, are more likely to be creationists and fundamentalists than are whites.

Those of you who say that denial of the fact of evolution is negatively correlated with IQ are correct. This is why blacks, for example, are more likely to be creationists and fundamentalists than are whites.

 

The Terms of Service you agreed to on registering prohibit racist statements. Such behavior will not be permitted.

 

Religion certainly siimplifies complex issues and behaviours such as the urge to procreate and reproduce and homosexuality....it divides human societies...
Atheism surely "siimplifies" complex issues such as conscience, sex, normal sexuality, and divides human societies especially in the dictatorial regimes like Communist Russia and Japan.  It has been estimated that in less than the past 100 years, governments under the banner of communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 to 259,432,000 human lives.  If this doesn't divide human societies what does?  The atheist Mao Zedong killed tens of millions during his Great Leap Foward and many more during the purges and slaughters of the cultural revolution.  Man those religious nuts!  Feel free to google
Would I be an idiot if I discussed history?  This is the problem with many on this site.  If you desire to hold and run with the banner of atheism this also demands an attitude of open-mindedness.  History is what has occurred and what we learn from.  I am not saying that you are going to murder Christians but simply alluding to this fact.  When people cease to think for themselves they tend to follow those around them.  This phenomenon is a fact and can be observed any Sunday morning or on this site as well.

RSS

Forum

In Defense of ‘Islamophobia’

Started by Brian Daurelle in Society. Last reply by Unseen 1 hour ago. 49 Replies

Awe struck

Started by Davis Goodman in Small Talk. Last reply by Davis Goodman 4 hours ago. 26 Replies

The Shinto Flower among the Weeds of Religion

Started by Cato Rigas in Advice. Last reply by Ward Cressin 11 hours ago. 7 Replies

Blog Posts

A Life-Changing Confrontation

Posted by Belle Rose on October 23, 2014 at 2:55am 2 Comments

Life Condensed

Posted by Cato Rigas on October 19, 2014 at 8:30pm 3 Comments

Services we love!

We are in love with our Amazon

Book Store!

Gadget Nerd? Check out Giz Gad!

Advertise with ThinkAtheist.com

In need a of a professional web site? Check out the good folks at Clear Space Media

© 2014   Created by umar.

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service