...how does one start a Whole New Congress Movement? We could start with rallies in or marches to the public squares of major cities all asking people to commit to throw their Senators and Representatives out of office in the next election.

We need to throw a scare into our Senators and Representatives.

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By the way, I could just as easily claim that the Democrats' refusal to accept a spending resolution that gave them absolutely everything they want except ONE THING is just as fucking reckless. 

A lot of Democratic constituents who just got health care (or better health care) might see taking it away just as suddenly as they got it as reckless.

Obama rightly sees any attempt at paring back Obamacare as the beginning of a "death by 1000 cuts."

From this point forward, you editorialize, and start laying blame. 

Of course I'm laying blame. I'm not going to keep quiet just because you'd rather I didn't hold your crackpot Republicans accountable for what they're doing.

It's perfectly acceptable, under the US Constitution, to refuse to fund something a previous congress passed. 

The Republicans are refusing to fund everything, not something.

ObamaCare is settled law; it has already passed through congress, was signed by the President, and was confirmed as constitutional by the Supreme Court. The Republicans in the House-- one party of a single legislative body-- are using the threat of a default to overrule the Senate, the President, and the Supreme Court in prior lawmaking.

The House is asserting a new power over legislation-- after deliberation, passage and reconciliation by all three branches of government, after the fact, as is the case with ObamaCare-- that such legislation may be 'vetoed' by the House with the procedural move of refusing to pass a budget or continuing resolution.

You're saying the framers intended this power for the House? Tell me another one.

That's how Obama will likely get around it if push comes to shove: the House does not enjoy that kind of power under the Constitution. But the Republicans will back down.

but when the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly it's a constitutional problem?

The shoe is not on the other foot. The Democrats have never done anything like this.

Now the Republicans may be stupid to try this.  Reckless.  Insane. 

That's the first accurate thing you've written here.

By the way, I could just as easily claim that the Democrats' refusal to accept a spending resolution that gave them absolutely everything they want except ONE THING is just as fucking reckless. 

You could, but since there's no symmetry in the positions of the Democrats and the Republicans you'd be talking out of your ass. If Obama was threatening a nuclear strike on Islamabad unless the Republicans agreed to pass gun control legislation, you'd have something comparably irresponsible. But since this isn't the case, you've got nothing.

Why is this so important YOU are willing to go over a cliff to keep it?  Why not accept an Obamacare free budget, then push to pass it separately.  If Obamacare is that popular it should fly through, right? Nope, it's because you realize that it would never pass unless it is attached to a "have to pass" bill like one designed to keep the whole government from shutting down.

For the same reason you don't negotiate with hostage takers.

Pass the same law all over again or we'll steer our busload of hostages over the cliff!!!

Get fucking real, Steve.

And that's why you are resenting this whole subject coming up again, because you know this time you'd lose if it had to stand on its own merits.  (Remember that Obamacare only squeaked through in the first place thanks to browbeating some senators and that ridiculous "deemed passed" maneuver, and that was with the Dems in charge of both houses of congress.) So you have to hide behind complaints about the process.  Pot.  Kettle.  Black.

So let me get this straight. Every indication is that ObamaCare will be a success in terms of participation, popularity, cost savings to taxpayers and insurance prices, and that Republicans will take a beating for what they are doing now in trying to stop it: refusing to put a budget to a simple vote (which they would lose because it would pass).

But according to you, I resent the subject coming up because we're losing on merit? *Laughing* Far from it Steve. Sarah Palin. Michelle Bachman. Paul Ryan. I dislike the harm they do, but I thoroughly enjoy the stupidity of Republicans.

Damn, if only the Tea Party had such power in 2000! That could have offset the fraction of a percent of FL votes that Nader took to make Gore lose the national race. (Whoops, we're not supposed to use the words "win" or "lose", like it's a game. Let's ask the Supreme Court for help, instead...)

Sorry for cynicism. But here's a funny idea! Wouldn't it be ironic if the Reps re-gerrymandered their districts to trade in some far-right support for some moderate support, so their primary winners can also win some general elections?

Just saw a Boehner press conference. He looks like he hasn't slept or eaten in a week.

I don't have time to post it, but here's a take on the shutdown, told entirely with Legos. that I think you'll all enjoy!

Another dead archaeopteryx link.

It omits part of the story, or I should say theater, because that's exactly what it is.

For the last six months, the Senate has been demanding a conference with the House on the 2014 budget. The House leadership has firmly refused. The Republicans didn't have the votes to stop ObamaCare or get the tax cuts and spending cuts they demanded.

Finally, after spending half of 2013 refusing even to discuss a straightforward spending bill, Boehner finally calls for a conference and formal negotiations with the Senate... one hour before the midnight shutdown and 16 days before the credit default. The former was elaborately staged for press photographers.

Now, 8 days after running out the clock, Boehner is performing Act II of the same Orwellian political theater: howl that the Democrats orchestrated the shutdown and won't negotiate.

Yeah, well, you know Unseen - he's still setting traps to try to catch his computer's mouse -

Does that look dead to you? How is it I got there when you couldn't - oh, yeah, competence --

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/10/congressional-budge...

Does that look dead to you? How is it I got there when you couldn't.

You followed a good link?

Got there, didn't I?

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