It certainly is very different in America then in the UK. I have an American cousin that told me about this presenter called Glen Beck, and after watching some clips on youtube i seriously could not believe he had his own programme. How could they give people like that the light of day? He actually gave me the impression that he was mental. But anyway, i mean in proper debates but yes i see your point. People who spread hate are just hiding behind the shield of religion, in my opinion.
I'm glad it isn't like that here. It makes me kinda glad and grateful that i live in England (which has a much higher number of atheists) and that i can speak freely about what i think. It makes me sad when i hear of people who are "closet atheists".
News is much more objective in europe rather then subjective.
My aunt is secular and adores the man. Everything she spews in a conversation is just so Glen Beck'esque it is sickening. She is tied into the bigotry and fear that he lavishes upon his audience with his pathetic whimpering and tear induced rants. I don't pay attention to anything she says anymore honestly. Her brain has been dehumanized because of this mans nonsense.
Democrats and Republicans both are drinking from the same bowl of misinformation. But you my friend may have had too much to drink.
What are stupid facts?
Oh a correlation between political party and belief? Shocking
So my friend are you stupid for believing in evolution? Are you saying because you are a minority you must be right?
I missed the part where you cited evidence that these people are wrong. I caught the part where you called them names to defend your weak stance.
You are without a doubt a religious individual.
Will he respond with put-downs or with evidence? We shall see.
I doubt that Doone is religious, since he specified that "a plurality of Americans believe in fairy tales is distressing". Yes, he is definitely ranting, but sometimes we all need to do that.
The problem is, he isn't that far off base. I've heard the statistic that 40% of Americans are young earthers enough to accept it and that just scares the crap out of me. I mean that basically means that 2 out of 5 people that you have contact with on a daily basis are delusional. And delusional to the point that they willfully ignore proven scientific evidence in lieu of their own wishful thinking. I don't know how many times I've heard people talk about "if evolution is a 'theory', why can't we force religious 'theory' down every child's throat?" Of course, I am paraphrasing, but you get the drift. These people have absolutely no understanding of the general term "theory" as it applies to religion (abstract thought : speculation) and a "Scientific Theory" (a concept that is accepted in the scientific community that explains scientific observations).
As for the term "accepting stupid facts", I don't really get that. There are no "stupid facts", simply "stupid conclusions". Facts are facts.
I do have to admit here, that I am, more or less, republican. I find it so sad that I can't find a republican to vote for! It seems that most people in the republican party only focus on the one piece of forcing xianity down everyone else's throats and don't follow any of the other republican values. Needless to say, I am exactly the opposite of that.
Justadude, I think you hit the nail on the head when you say republicans and democrats drink the same cool-aide. The only difference is that democrats want to take everyone's money to "support" the poor (read: get them just enough to get them dependent on the government) and the republicans want to take everyone's money to give to their banking and oil buddies.
But back to the real discussion, I think that the only way to get religious people to start thinking is to stay calm and just present the facts. I know it can be extremely frustrating, since you have to do it over and over to get through their shell of delusion. Another important thing is to not get dragged down into their delusion with them. When they say "well, this one sentence in the bible PROVES...", I think it's important to not give that sentence any strength in the discussion. My response tends to be that the bible is so flawed, so corrupt, so inconsistent that nothing that it says can be taken seriously. Sure, you can get a sentence or two that sounds good, and you might even be able to glean some useful wisdom, if you look at it right, but there is so much wrong in the bible that it in no way supports any deductions related to unsubstantiated superstition. Yes, "love thy neighbor" and "turn the other cheek" are good advice. But that advice is in no way special. Buddha gave very much the same message (and substantially better advice) 2500 years before christ was even believed to have been born. The inconsistencies, contradictions, and flat out logical fallacies of the bible render it completely mundane and of no spiritual value in the least. It is obvious that it was written by medieval, uneducated barbaric goat-herders and is nothing but delusional superstition. Pointing out those inconsistencies and lies is a good way to not get dragged down into the line-by-line rhetoric of the religious zealot.