If you really think about it there are fanatics on both sides. Religion is really only
a group of people believing in a certain way. Atheism to me is the same way
my beliefs and the right to them. I like to live my life with my own beliefs
so I do not begrudge anyone else in their beliefs.
Religion is really only a group of people believing in a certain way.
if you insist on this as the definition of "religion" then, ok, yeah, i guess. but let's be sure to state unequivocally that this isn't the definition of religion that anyone uses.
if you use the defintion of religion that most people would recognize then clearly atheism has nothing to do with religion.
besides, even on your defintion it's unlcear that atheism qualifies since atheism is a group of people that DON'T believe a certain way. atheism is about what someone doesn't believe. when someone says "i'm an atheist" this tells you nothing about what they DO believe.
ok First lets reply to this is not the definition anyone uses?
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Religion is really only a group of people believing in a certain way!
Then you could classify all sorts of organizations, like the EFF, the FSF etc as Religions.
It is a very broad definition.
The way I see it, religion is not only about belief, but also practice. Its about living life according to the tenets of the religion. Its about the things you should do - the how & why of doing them & the things you shouldn't do - they whys of not to do them.
Atheism doesn't have any of that.
i can't actually tell if you're joking here or not.
you listed the dictionary definition of religion which says that it's a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe (which atheism has none of), especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies (which atheism has none of), usually involving devotional and ritual observances (which atheism has none of), and often containing a moral code (which atheism has none of) governing the conduct of human affairs (which atheism doesn't seek to do in any way shape or form) and then you're saying "SEE! atheism is a religion!"
your "words short and to the point" don't have any of the character of the definition you claim to be shortening while still retaining the same point.
you can't describe an apple in the space of a paragraph and then say that "anything that's round" is the same thing, short and to the point. you're no longer describing the apple and, therefore, your short and to the point version now includes anything that's round.
You left out the "concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe' part. Given your definition, a group of people who all believe that Buffy is the best TV show ever is a religion, because they all believe the same way. Overly broad definitions are a poor way to define things and a good way to sow confusion.
And even with the dictionary definition, atheists do not qualify. While a great many (perhaps most) atheists subscribe to the current scientific theories about the origin of the universe, not all do. There are those who believe that the universe is cyclical, those that adhere to the hypothesis of colliding branes, those that think that M-theory is more likely correct and those who believe that our universe is an elaborate computer simulation.
The only property that all atheists can be assured of having in common is not believing in gods. Other traits may be very common (support for science, for example) but they are neither required of nor exclusive to atheism.
My belief would then have to be in the scientific method of reaching conclusions about this based on repeatable and observable phenomena I can make predictions on that will come true. If I must be a religious in some aspect, if I am forced to point to supreme knowledge, I guess I believe in the "god" of science and "worhsip" at it's altar, the peer reviewed scientific literature.
This is a common miss-perception of atheism, atheism is the non-belief in a god, it is not a belief that there is no god.
Many religious people I talk to often understand anti-theists to be atheist and this is simply not the case at all. People against all belief in a god are generally anti-theist. They often have well thought out and structured argument to support their case, and by definition are also atheist, but the term atheist does not describe their desire to argue against religious belief.
Many anti-theists will not begrudge someone a belief in a god, but desire for people who do, to understand that it is a belief and not a provable fact. This sort of acknowledgement reduces extremism and its acceptance in society.
Hope that helps :)
You're welcome Allie, I would just add that etymologically speaking religion means (according to many scholars) "to reconnect" or "look back".
So from an etymology perspective religion is looking to the past to connect and gain meaning, while atheism is content with the now.
Again well said I honestly think if we had more discussions with your eloquence
atheism would not have such a bad name. The very arguement I brought up
was brought up by my family and I did not honestly know how defend it. You have
helped me tremendously and if more people would argue with intellect instead of ignorance we would all benefit more.