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Permalink Reply by Donald S. Chase on January 22, 2012 at 8:18am

The  shape of the cleavage denotes catagorically that those are implants. Beautiful people accept their beauty and don't resort to augmentation.

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Permalink Reply by Arcus on January 22, 2012 at 8:52am

"Beautiful people accept their beauty and don't resort to augmentation."

Get off your high horse, everyone alter their natural appearance in some way to augment themselves to comply as much as possible with the standards of beauty in their society. Clothes, bijouterie, hair management, dental work, tattoos, plastic surgery, etc - all are augmentations.  

Individual and social mores dictate the attitude towards such augmentations. Breast implants are as pervasive here in Eastern Europe that one can hardly find a girl without them these days, especially if they have the income associated with an advanced education. By your definition I guess this would imply that most of the girls here have some sort of self esteem issues, which is absolutely not my impression.

PS: The girl looks very Eastern European, my guess would be of Polish/Lithuanian descent, and the picture looks like it's from the Adriatic or Aegean.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on January 22, 2012 at 9:20am

+1

Some people of both sexes take pride in their control over their appearance and consider their body a canvas of sorts.

I personally love to see a well made-up girl. There's nothing wrong with it. It's an art when done well.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on January 22, 2012 at 9:27am

Would you apply that to dentistry as well? In other words, if someone has teeth which are healthy enough for eating but have other problems like unpleasant gaps or front teeth that overlap a bit, you'd hold it against them if they went about some repairs?

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Permalink Reply by Donald Pennington on January 22, 2012 at 8:42am

She's not too bad. I've seen better. Models posing aren't always my thing, but she's not too bad.

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Permalink Reply by Barry Eckert on January 22, 2012 at 9:09am

   1) What turns you on about this girl? Pretty eyes.

   2) What turns you off about this girl? The turn-offs are mostly the photo, not the girl. The photoshopping others have mentioned, for example. The duck-lips and the mammoplasty however are kind of repellent. Also, those bracelets! Ack, drop maybe 15 of them, woman!

   3) Why is this girl considered beautiful? She isn't, to me at least. To others, hell if I know.

   4)Is this girl beautiful? See #4

   5)Does the notion of her breasts being covered make you more attracted because you know she is naked in the (NSFW) *Not     Safe For Work*unaltered picture(NSFW) No

   6)Did you click on the NSFW picture? Why or why not? Yes. Well, why not? I don't really like censorship of any kind, anyway.

   7)Be honest if you clicked on it or not! I was.

And just for full disclosure, I'm gay though I suppose "bi-curious", but from a different direction than most who use that word.

Incidentally, I had to copy and paste the questions into notepad then back into this edit box because text after the links disappearing for some mysterious javascript reason.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on January 22, 2012 at 5:06pm

@Cecelia   I do not think that it is WORK to enjoy healthy food and enjoy moving my body at all.

Here's your pat on the head, but realize that you represent yourself and whatever slice of the pie feels the same way you do. I'm quite aware that there are many views, of which yours is but one.

Also, a person can maintain a "healthy" weight (whatever that means) and still not  actually be healthy because they eat a crap diet, don't exercise, smoke etc

Duh!

yet the fat person who adheres to a healthy lifestyle is judged (or pitied or fretted over) while the thinner person who adheres to a crap lifestyle gets a pass.

I don't think the majority of experts hold that a really healthy lifestyle can result in a healthy fat person in the majority of cases. If that were in fact the established science, it would be such good news it would be sung from the rooftops by fat people. I don't think that book you are touting represents the mainstream  science. Whatever one believes (or wants to believe) it's always possible to find experts who hold the minority view. Look at the issue of global warming, for example.

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Permalink Reply by Cecilia on January 23, 2012 at 8:22am

Well, you also can't be healthy if you eat crap all the time and never exercise, regardless of your weight.   Any doctor worth his or her salt will understand that being sedentary is in and of itself a risk factor for poor health outcomes.  Maintaining a "normal" weight is not a "get out of jail free card."

 I think you'd have to actually read "Health At Every Size" before you pass judgment on whether or not it "represents mainstream science."   But that's just me.  And if you can't do that you could at least read the New York Times article from the Sunday magazine (15th of January).  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/magazine/tara-parker-pope-fat-tra...    

And as for fat people singing from the rooftops.  First, no one actually wants to be fat*.  Second, the weight loss industry is huge ($46 billion worth of huge) and depends on perpetuating the idea that fat = bad.  So, even if the fat people were to sing from the rooftops the noise the industry puts out there would drown them out.  

*And, unfortunately, we don't actually  have a real standard for what that even means so the default is that someone is fat if they don't conform to the cultural ideal.  I recently re-watched "Love Actually" and was so surprised that they kept referring to Hugh Grant's love interest as "chubby"!!  And, "plus" size models on agency books are anywhere from a size 6 to a size 14 (size 6 = plus, seriously???)

http://plus-model-mag.com/2012/01/plus-size-bodies-what-is-wrong-wi...

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on January 23, 2012 at 9:20am

Whenever someone who is taking a view contrary to the mainstream tells me to read a book, I know it's a book they discovered which affirms their deeply-held beliefs. Key word there, BELIEFS.

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Permalink Reply by Cecilia on January 23, 2012 at 4:52pm

You can't be serious.  Take a look at what you wrote and ask yourself: "Do I really want to advocate for never challenging mainstream beliefs?  On an atheist website?"  Seriously?

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on January 23, 2012 at 6:01pm

Wow! Strawman much? No, I'm saying that if something is true, it will make its way into the mainstream. I'm not qualified to judge if what the book says is true, so for now I'll believe what the mainstream experts seem to be saying. Any research I did would be about as relevant as reading books about quantum physics and deciding based on a book written by a minority researcher that quantum theory is hogwash. I'm simply unqualified to agree or disagree with such a notion.

Actually, what you are doing is like the creationists who base their belief that evolution is wrong based on a books written by a few (very few) Christian scientists.

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Permalink Reply by Daniel on January 23, 2012 at 10:11pm

No matter how much you blame advertising, the culture, the weight loss industry. You are still ultimately responsible for your health.

You can choose to believe that it is healthy to be obese. This goes against a lot of popular theory that has not been well tested to assign cause and effect. But know that a lot of people equate people within a certain BMI of being a lot more likely to be healthy than those outside the range. 

We are one of the fattest countries in the world. Not because of the images or the conspiracy that we make people fat so they buy gym memberships. The reason is that our diets are that bad. Its not how much we eat but what we eat. They feed our children shit in schools. The USDA and FDA lack impartiality. Our nutritional standards are based on politics not science. 

As a (former) Chef, As a person who wakes up every morning worried about the quality of his food. As a person who very much cares about the health of others and how that relates to nutrition. Try to eat better. These are the rules I follow. There by no means right.

Dont eat any processed foods(especially ones with indigestible polysaccharides xantham guar gums etc) This means you have to read the label on everything.

Don't buy the cheapest food, because its cheap. Produce/meat/dairy etc are mostly produced for yield and not nutritional quality. There is an inverse correlation between what you spend in the grocery store to what you spend at the doctors office. Nutritional science is incomplete don't believe health claims.

Do not eat grains as a staple in your diet. instead replace grains with fruit and vegetables and when you do eat grains, eat only whole grains. 

Eat less meat, not because meat is bad for you but the way meat is produced is drastically different than how it was produced or gathered before. 

My best friend who weighed about 400+ lbs 2 and al half years ago has lost over 200lbs and counting by follow similar rules in the diet. 

 You want to help people feel better, educate them on what is a healthy diet and what is not. Dont hide pictures of the ideal might be. 

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