(NSFW) Do you find this girl attractive? Why or why not?

You may or may not know this but I am 100% bi-sexual. Me and a girlfriend of mine got into a debate about what is pretty and what is not. So as I often say now, "OFF TO THINK ATHEIST INTERWEBS TO ASK RATIONAL PEOPLE!"

So here I am with a few questions:

  1. What turns you on about this girl?
  2. What turns you off about this girl?
  3. Why is this girl considered beautiful?
  4. Is this girl beautiful?
  5. Does the notion of her breasts being covered make you more attracted because you know she is naked in the (NSFW) *Not Safe For Work*unaltered picture(NSFW)
  6. Did you click on the NSFW picture? Why or why not? 
  7. Be honest if you clicked on it or not! 


I will be at work most of the day but I will be able to read most of your responses on my phone. 


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I do not think that it is WORK to enjoy healthy food and enjoy moving my body at all...being able to do these things is, in fact, one of the supreme pleasures of life!!  Unfortunately, "fat" people are too often "told" that they are not entitled to these pleasures (unless, of course, they are doing so with grim purpose and intent to lose weight).  Also, a person can maintain a "healthy" weight (whatever that means) and still not  actually be healthy because they eat a crap diet, don't exercise, smoke etc yet the fat person who adheres to a healthy lifestyle is judged (or pitied or fretted over) while the thinner person who adheres to a crap lifestyle gets a pass.   

If all you see is a picture of a person and you know that thin people tend to be more healthy then you might assume that person is healthy based on the evidence. Weather this is not or is true in actuality is not relevant. I think that is why when you all you have to go on is looks then you can not judge them on anything else. So I view thin as attractive because to me it is part of being healthy. If your thin because you have cancer or use meth I would not find that attractive. But with these images I can not tell why this person is thin. if you view being a little overweight as healthy then you would probably be attracted by sight alone to people who were a little overweight.

Define being overweight? There is a healthy BMI range.
Finding thin to be attractive is not shallow. Overvaluing the fact that a person is thin is shallow. If I overvalued a persons ability to use english I would be shallow also, no?

Cecilia, while it may be "possible to be overweight and healthy," I'm sure that being overweight and healthy involves both exercise and attention to what one eats. Most overweight people get minimal exercise at best and eat whatever the f*** they want.

Most overweight people are not nearly as healthy as they could be, and most are probably not particularly healthy at all.

All cultures have idealized images, physical and otherwise, which not everyone can meet. This is by the nature of an ideal, paradigm, or standard. They will always be with us and always beyond the reach of most. Today, slenderness may be part of the ideal. In the past, being plump ("rubinesque") was the standard, and I'm sure the women who were naturally thin due to their genetics felt pressure then.

There is little point in wasting efforts complaining about something which isn't going to change. Another approach needs to be taken. I advocate that of making girls stronger rather trying to isolate them from ideal images.

Yes and you make them stronger by teaching them to value themselves and their bodies just as they are and for what they can do, not what they look like.  And we absolutely do not do that in this culture, indeed, quite the opposite and it is fact that images girls see in the popular culture impact how they feel about themselves which impacts in turn how they value themselves which impacts how willing they are to take care of themselves and respect themselves, etc., etc.  Remember the "doll test" that was cited in Brown v. Board of Education?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_F._Poussaint    I know it is counter-intuitive but these images of the ultra thin ideal are not only linked to anorexia (where women/girls become dangerously thin) but also to bulimia (where women/girls may maintain a "normal" weight but become dangerously malnourished) and to compulsive overeating (which leads to overweight and malnourishment).    I agree you can't "isolate" girls (or any of us) from destructive images (which is precisely the problem) but you can speak out against these images and how harmful they are and demand new images that celebrate all women and girls regardless of how closely they conform to an impossible ideal.  These images are part of the problem of why girls do not feel strong in our society and so they absolutely must be complained about: silence = acquiescence.  

Then we agree. It has to be done "at the girl" end by helping girls be strong enough to resist these forces since the forces aren't going away.

Bear in mind that there's alot of slack that;s not reflected in the Body Mass Index. Supposedly, at 6'2" and 245 lbs, I am overweight, bordering on obese. In reality, I have pretty dense muscle & bone structure, and the bulk of my weight is in my shoulders, not my (nonexistent) beer belly. I wouldn't mind slimming down a little, but I'm hardly fat. 

The BMI is useful for the average person, but there are outliers that make it much less useful. Famously, many U.S. Olympic athletes were shown to be considered obese by the the BMI one year not long ago.  I don't think it invalidates the BMI, but it is a reminder that not everyone can be lumped into the average.

At one time I weighed 220 lb and a BMI told me that at my 5'10" I should weigh about 165-170. My doctor looked at the number and at me and said "I don't believe you can lose 50 lb." Then he used another test involving pinching my soft tissues and by that standard calculated I should be at 200, which is where I am now.

It is well established that being overweight is unhealthy.  This doesn't mean that there is only one body type and a narrow weight range that is considered healthy.  So, while I detest such narrow standards of beauty, I equally detest the "fat pride" movement that seems to encourage people to at peace with their weight problem. While I don't view obese people as simply being weak willed as some do, I do think that if one is over weight that it should concern them.  If all the studies and medical information isn't convincing, then think about how many elderly people you know who are obese.  I have never known any.

Why am I almost the only guy that responded that even mentioned this?

Perhaps you're almost the only one that doesn't find her attractive or is somehow offended by her appearance.

Regardless of the special effects, what we all prefer, in reality, may be completely different than this photo portrays, and most of our significant others likely do not look like this.  


  1. What turns you on about this wine?
  2. What turns you off about this wine?
  3. Why is this wine considered pleasurable?
  4. Is this wine pleasurable?

Do these questions or responses say anything about whether we enjoy white wine or margaritas? 

looks good to me. would appear to be a pretty girl. prolly doesn't need all the makeup she has on.



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