See this article: http://www.kansas.com/2014/02/18/3297077/sponsor-of-kansas-spanking...

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bill introduced by a Wichita lawmaker would ease some restrictions on spanking in Kansas, allowing parents, caregivers or school officials to hit children hard enough to leave redness or bruising.

Rep. Gail Finney, D-Wichita, who introduced the bill, said it attempts to define corporal punishment, restore parental rights and protect parents who spank their children from being charged with child abuse.

“What’s happening is there are some children that are very defiant and they’re not minding their parents, they’re not minding school personnel,” Finney said Tuesday.

“What it (the proposed law) does is it tries to give a definition. … But it does not allow hitting, punching, beating, because that is still considered abuse.”

Current Kansas law allows spanking that does not leave marks. The proposed legislation, House Bill 2699, would define corporal punishment as “up to 10 forceful applications in succession of a bare, open-hand palm against the clothed buttocks of a child.”

The bill also would allow “reasonable physical force” to restrain a child during a spanking, “acknowledging that redness or bruising may occur on the tender skin of a child as a result.”

It would continue to ban hitting a child with fists, in the head or body or with a belt or switch.

The bill would allow parents to give permission to others, including school officials, to spank their children, including students over 18 who are enrolled in high school.

“Corporal punishment is already allowed by law in Kansas,” Finney said. “It’s just trying to get a definition, because what’s happening is our kids and some of our law-abiding parents are entering into DCF (the Department of Children and Families) and law enforcement custody when it could have been avoided.

“It could be a small amount of a bruise (and) a parent could still be charged with child abuse when it wasn’t anything serious,” she said.

Sedgwick County District Attorney Marc Bennett said current state law is plenty clear on the difference between spanking and abuse.

Abuse of a child, a felony, is defined as “torturing or cruelly beating” a child, shaking that results in bodily harm or “inflicting cruel and inhuman corporal punishment.”

Battery, a class B misdemeanor, is “knowingly or recklessly causing bodily harm to another person or … causing physical contact with another person when done in a rude, insulting or angry manner.”

“We don’t arrest people for giving their kid a swat on the behind,” Bennett said.

“There seems to be an effort here to line-item all the things that can be done and can’t be done. … I’ve been doing this for 19 years now, and there’s no ‘redness rule’ or ‘10-strike rule’ or ‘closed-fist rule’ in Kansas law. I don’t know, frankly, what’s driving this.”

Opponents of spanking called the measure disturbing.

John Valusek, a retired Wichita psychologist and teacher who spearheaded a decades-long crusade against spanking, said any use of force against children is unnecessary and damaging.

“If you hit kids when they’re small, for whatever reason you’re hitting them, you’re planting the idea that it’s OK to use pain to accomplish an end,” he said.

What do you think about it being legal to the point of "leaving a mark." ???

Me personally.....I'm astounded that we're even discussing this. But......I am against it (of course.)......and appauled. We should be able to spank our lawmakers when they misbehave. THAT would be awesome! LOL!!!

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So children are now no more valuable then Pavlov's dogs, how progressive.

Fear is repressive and it may make people "behave" by means of suppression and oppression. Would you advocate the use of Big Brother's 'telescreens' as well?

I think the use of telescreens can safely be avoided. Simply because punishment is allowed, it doesn't follow that all punishments are allowed.

Telescreens are a method of surveillance. However, the research is overwhelming in regard to spanking children:

  • Spanking destroys mental health.
  • Spanking increases delinquency and criminal behavior.
  • Spanking makes it more likely the child will be physically abused.

One word: Singapore

LOL...my turn...One word: Caning...screw this mild spanking BS bring on the canes. LOL

BTW, I'm 67 and my generation was subjected to corporal punishment. Are you saying that my generation is less mentally healthy, tending more to criminality, and more likely to have been physically abused (not counting corporal punishment, of course) than the current generation?

I'm sorry. Not buyin' it...

Sadly, recently, my significant and I have had to bring identity theaft charges against an 18 year old who is now facing four Federal charges, and major time.

Who knows what went though this kid's skull, since we are not the only ones that placed charges! I doubt that 'spanking' would have been any help, but I do expect that building a truely 'civil' culture would have helped.  

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