It seems like no one is supposed to discipline children anymore. I wouldn't want to be a school administrator nowadays. The role of parents today seems to be to strenuously enable the misbehavior of their offspring. At the same time, any teacher who hugs a child risks being labeled a pedophile.
It depends on how you define 'discipline.' There were penalties and reprecussions for poor bahviour at my school. The administration was vigilant about enforcement and I think that's why we only had a couple of actual fights while I was at high school.
I like your approach!
I'm editing this to add that I know some people who've combined inconsistant expectations with corporeal punishment and given their children a lot of issues. I worry about those kids.
You know, I'm not for pulling down a kid's pants and throwing them over your knee and slapping their butt so hard that they are in agony and their ass cheeks turn bright pink.
However, a single swat on a clothed bottom can be an attention-getter. If I'm "modeling" single swats on clothed bottoms when the child becomes a parent, so be it. I won't lose any sleep over that.
However, once the child is of an age that you can reason with them and apply other punishments (time outs, grounding, no TV for a period of time, etc.), then it's time to go that route.
Unfortunately we don't live in a society that requires training and a license to be a parent.
When I went to high school, blatant miscreants were paddled. I can remember being paddled three times at least. Not only that, our parants were notified and things were not pleasant over the dinner table.
Parents supported the teachers.
I wanted to defend myself here for spanking one of my daughters a few times. It was never out of anger, and it was never more than two slaps on a naked butt, and never a bruise. It was usually only one slap, only leaving a red mark. I felt bad every time, but assured myself it was good for her in the long run.
Now I don't know. She's a great, wonderful, happy, successful, respectful, confident kid! But I honestly don't know if or how much my "discipline" made a positive or negative difference, in the end. (My other daughter was never as troublesome or disrespectful, and never "needed" discipline.)
As far as how society at large should act, I think it's clear that the cost of child abuse outweighs the benefit of unconditional love; it's surely better for society to err toward too much love. The kinds of abuse that society should surely be addressing are those that are motivated by anger, policies of "zero tolerance" that automatically exclude reasonable judgement, compassion, and positive behavioral modifications.
As a child I was 'SPANKED', one story:
I disobeyed my mother one morning before grade school, she wanted me to change my shirt, I saw no reason to change it, she saw no reason to explain to me why I should change it, in her mind a spanking was called for.
At the time I was smaller and weaker then her, unable to resist her superior strength, she pulled down my pants exposing the nakedness of my lower half. She held me by the arm and reached for the nearest 'tool' with which to administer the 'spanking', a wire coat hanger.
The first strike landed upon my bare bottom, the pain caused a reaction, I tried to move away from the source of the pain. But she was still holding by my arm, the resulting effect of the physics was the turn my body 180 degrees.
The second strike landed on my genitals...a wire coat hanger struck against the head of your penis will cause a great deal of pain. As I screamed in pain, my dear sweet Roman Catholic mother said: "You shouldn't have turned around."
It was just a simple 'spanking' what harm could there be?
I'm 67. When I was a kid, we actually lived in the society Hillary Clinton CLAIMS to favor ("It takes a village to raise a child.") If an adult were to walk in on a minor, say, defacing the mirror, depending upon his age he might have been walked out by the ear to his waiting parents, been pushed around while being yelled at, or received some sort of physical punishment (a hard punch on the arm, perhaps, not spanking).
What does "It takes a village to raise a child" mean if not that we are all parents to all of the children in our society?
I realize that in a diverse society like ours, this isn't really possible so I think that little slogan is simply nonsense.
You're conveniently forgetting that American education was better at producing academically prepared students back when corporal punishment enforced discipline. The stats are undeniable. Perhaps we are reaping what we sowed when we made schools get all touchy-feely.
Real consequences for misbehavior and stricter dress codes are often the hallmark of the more successful schools.
Discipline and dress codes have been the hallmark of Catholic schools, which very frequently outperform public schools academically. Ditto for private schools.
Dress codes have a demonstrated effect on gang activity in schools. Violence goes down in measurable ways as well. It's hard to perform as a gang member when your clothing doesn't pronounce your gang affiliation. When everyone is dressed within the same limited parameters, who is flashier than whom becomes less of a topic of attention and conversation.
Separation of the sexes is another hallmark of many of the top-performing schools.
Hahahaha....I know a place where your ideas are implemented everyday, it's called North Korea...I don't know about the others but I don't think I'll follow their lead, I'm going in the other direction.