Do we need to abandon all moral ideologies because we are atheist?

Why does it seem that there are so many atheists who want to go the exact opposite extreme of religion?  Maybe I’m more of a humanist then because I do still have a very strong ethical code that I decided on using logic and a true sense of compassion towards others.  Moral judgment can be based on the net positives it can provide for the whole of society.  Aren’t we all striving to improve ourselves and our communities? Freedom is a wonderful thing worth fighting for, but if those freedoms are not for the betterment of society then we must question if that particular freedom would be best if regulated instead.

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Actually, the "morals" in the bible are horrifying!  That's how we can be assured that almost no xian ever reads their own book.


A xian made the assertion on a blog that this country was "founded on xian principles and morals."  I asked him what morals he could possibly contribute to the bible that this country was founded on.  His reply was "Well, how about FREEDOM? DUH!"  Unfortunately for him, my next question stumped him.  I asked him to point out, in the bible, where freedom was considered a moral value.  Never heard back from him.  LOL


Luckily we have grown out of the few "moral values" that the bible teaches, such as the "ethical way to treat your slavery", and "women should never talk, except to ask their husbands about scripture in the home" or "let's kill a bunch of children for making fun of bold people" or  "if you fight your enemy, you should not only kill them, but all their animals as well."  Seriously?  Does god really think that your enemy would have trained the goats to rebel after they've been stolen?  Or "thou shalt not steal." Unless your jesus, of course, in which case you can just take anything you want and expect people to not only put up with it, but actually be happy that the "Lord Himself" just stole your property.  Oh ya, the bible shows great morals!

You seem to be getting a LOT of responses where the person "misinterpreted" your OP.  Maybe you should go back to your OP and re-read it with a fresh eye?  Maybe you will see why people think that you are calling all Atheists immoral?  Just a thought... 


Maybe if you examine this, it will help you communicate better in the future.  We all strive to become better at what we do, don't we?

An absurd and ridiculous assumption.  All the atheists I know are the most upstanding ethical and moral people I've ever met.  It actually seems to me that religious people have somewhat of a patent on immorality as long as it's based on their absurd beliefs.  If their invisible friend tells them it's OK then it's OK, by doG.

Atheists do not abandon moral and ethical principles, we just don't have some holy spook looking over our shoulder to keep us on our moral toes.

I’m still looking for someone to give me the positive aspects of the sex industry which benefit more than the person who is receiving sexual gratification from it.


Not to sound misogynistic but the sex industry and everything related to it is a billion dollar industry, so the "benefit" is to the economy.  I've often questioned the morality of pure American capitalism. I would venture to guess that is more harmful to morals than many things. If your ultimate goal is profit, then how you get there is not important. That is probably a discussion for another thread.

The fantasy that men entertain that a significant number of prostitutes "chose" their income out of their love of sex is alive and well I see... what a crock.


A vast majority of prostitutes do it as a desperate last resort.

Do not ruin my fantasy!  


But on a serious note , many porn stars look like they are really enjoying what they are doing.  Do you think that is different?  Do they also do it as a 'last resort' or are many of them women who just love to have sex on camera with well hung and muscular males while getting paid for it?  



uh... it's called acting...

As others have pointed out earlier, we are attempting to talk about two different subjects as if they are the same thing. 


1) Is engaging in prostitution (selling or buying) more helpful or harmful for all who are involved?  (This is basically your question above)


2) Should engaging in prostitution be illegal? 


While these may superficially sound the same, the are two absolutely separate questions.  You need to understand that making something illegal does not eliminate it from from the face of the Earth.  Take alcohol for example.  Its consumption on a global scale causes, without question, more harm that good.  Certainly humanity as a whole would be better off if alcohol did not exist.  But banning it does not make it go away, it simply makes it illegal.  When making laws we must consider the conditions that the law will create. 


One more example: sex education for the youth.  It is well known that there are many more teen pregnancies in areas were abstinence only education is taught.  Just because we teach teenagers about safe sex practices does not mean that we are telling them to go have sex.  We need to go about things in this way to make practical, positive, real world changes. 

George Carlin put it the best way "Selling's legal, F@%King's legal! So why isn't selling f@%king legal?"

In Nevada there is legal prostitution that is safer for the consumer and seller so I see some benefit to legalized (regulated) prostitution.
What morality exists in the bible? A few tidbits here and there that are relevant today sandwiched between genocides, infanticides, incest, human sacrifice, child abuse, rape, and the atrocities continue. Ask a Christian if it was moral for god to kill all the first born of Egypt and they will go into explaining that it had to be done. They dismiss the mass murder of children because god did it so it is OK. If god tells them to kill their son instead of seeking psychiatric help they simply pray they would have the courage Abraham did.

Human morality and ethics evolved long before and quite separate from any religion, especially crapstianity and jesse's crap; that's the way both sound to me anyway. ;-)

"Doing the right thing" was a positive action in the early hominid groups and they must have collectively realized it and reinforced the idea probably before humans developed the language to express it.

They just misappropriated the moral high ground before anyone saw it coming and having done so that claimed that all who didn't agree with their version was a "sinner" and headed to the hot place; sort'a like Texas this June.  100 deg. F in Decatur today and all this week; whew!

One can only wonder why some bible-pounder hasn't realized how much fun it is for us sinners to get it on in air conditioned rooms when compared to un air conditioned and started trying to outlaw AC systems or at least to call them agents of the devil and sin. ;-)


Agreed, that's stupid.  However, in relation to the very concept of religion I am "exact opposite".  I do not do the church thing in any shape, form or fashion and have not set foot in a sanctuary for over 20-years and have no intention of ever doing so for the rest of my life. 

Be that as it may that does not imply that I abandon all moral precepts; I am the "exact opposite extreme" as I place a high value on morality and ethical behavior rather than give it only public lip service as I've seen many "believers" do.  Religion allows some to be the "exact opposite extreme" as they claim it's justified by some stupid and idiotic verse in some nefarious volume of Bronze Age utterances they call their bible.


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