Catholics teach that the fear of god is a gift from the holy spirit.
Fear = Wisdom? Really?
I used to fear GOD. It was real to me and a constant source of stress. Perhaps when atheists speak of new found freedom, some of it is really the shedding of fear. Did you ever "FEAR the LORD? and if so, how did it feel to ditch that fear?
My mother dragged us to church three times a week. Religious belief was molded into my life by all of the sources constantly around me. When I got older I was very afraid of stopping what I felt and thought was rediculous "God" belief. One day I decided I would make up my mind and either go all of the way into it, or get all of the way out of it, no matter what!
I'm so glad that I got all of the way out of it! Afterwards I could see things more clearly and assess the insanity it takes for people to follow, have faith in, and believe such clap-trap!
It's part of our many psychological problems, and one of the reasons why people continue to engage in death and destruction on every level imaginable! When I listen to people praising God(s) that were created by mankind during a period when humans were frightened and superstitious beyond belief I can see why people are still annihilating each other.
Again with the constant ad hominem? Don't you tire of it?
We've covered this before, Robert. If your statement is a lie and I call you on it, that is not fallacious.
To go through your list:
Respond in the threads, in context.
Hmmm. You listed that one twice.
What you seem to be unable to grok is that we are not fundamentalists. Not about the Bible, and certainly not about the Catechism, and not even about the documents of the various councils. Quoting isolated snippets without an understanding of the language or the culture demonstrates your ignorance of our faith and practice, not understanding. Again, sophomoric.
Again, dishonest. I responded to what YOU actually said in those threads. Now YOU respond to what I ACTUALLY SAID in response to your words, IN THE THREADS, Bob, IN CONTEXT.
It's the rough equivalent of a freshman physics student telling me I'm wrong about physics and he can prove it by quoting one line out of the textbook I wrote.
It's the exact equivalent of you losing yet another argument and getting caught in another lie; chickening out rather than owning up, denying challenges rather than rising to meet them.
Much as I might wish to continue your edification, you clearly have more time on your hands than I do. I don't mean to be running away and sulking, I just have other commitments to attend to.
Gosh, Bob. You you didn't have time to answer the previously unanswered threads while simultaneously having time to answer this one and post in others? Must be some kind of temporal paradox.
So what I would suggest is that you go take a class. Find a nearby Catholic college or university and take a few basic theology courses.
Theology is not a subject, Bob. Neither is the study of leprechauns or unicorns or fairy wings.
Even better, start with a rabbinical class on the Torah, because in many ways Catholic intellectual thought comes from Judaism. Then you might be able to make a reasonable argument with reference to the proper texts and what we truly teach.
According to you, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is not the proper text, and not what the Catholic Church truly teaches, and I need the Catholic education.
And I here thought "Too easy!" was the gut-buster of the night!
The fact that god was omnipresent and having an eye on me 24x7 was disturbing, but I don't recall having any fear for god. I was informed about heaven and hell - but when I came to know that heaven isn't above the clouds as I was told or even somewhere that we know of, I simply gave up the idea that these places could even exist. I had a feeling that what I was being taught about god was not right - which led me to question god's existence. Soon, due to numerous reasons I converted into an agnostic. I didn't gave up the fear of god as it wasn't present in me at the first place, instead I gave up the need for a god.