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Permalink Reply by William Boyd on September 7, 2012 at 12:35am

That's beautiful.

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Permalink Reply by Citizen Atheist on January 16, 2012 at 6:28am

It took me a while, especially since I was brought up in a Baptist family with a Baptist youth pastor.

After learning that God is not real, there is not afterlife and this is the only chance I have, I have just put it in my mind that this is reality.  I live my life every day as if it may be my last day now.  I am no longer a stupid, lazy Xtian who figures if I don't get it right this time, I'll have all of heaven to be happy.

Dropping the idea of an eternal life has made me a better person. 

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Permalink Reply by Maurice Whitehurst on February 5, 2012 at 3:14pm

A better life?....
Define better. As opposed to what?
For better to be qualified, wouldn't you have to know
the purpose of life? Or at least yours....and if happy is the goal then what difference
does the existence of a god matter? Isn't being an Atheist
a waste of your happiness pursuit?

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Permalink Reply by dragotron on January 22, 2012 at 9:42pm

To me the purpose of life is to live, survive, procreate, care for the herd, teach, share what we learn, spread our seed, adapt, progress, evolve...

I think our time here is very special..what we learn we pass on. The human race.. as all life is, Is a relay race... in life we contribute to the survival of humanity and thus the Earth's own unique shape of life in general. To me it's beautiful that our contributions live on.

I think when I die it will be exactly the same as how it was before I was born. That nothingness. Kinda like the time when i'm sleeping but between dreams.

Also.. this thread I liked this quote by Amplified Atheist apparently:

"Remember fondly, those you've loved who have passed away. As long as you remember them, they will live on. You are their afterlife."

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Permalink Reply by Dan DeMura on January 30, 2012 at 10:40am

For me I think this quote from Joseph Campbell sums it up...

I don't believe people are looking for the meaning of life as much as they are looking for the experience of being alive.- Joseph Campbell

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Permalink Reply by ichbindaswortistich on February 4, 2012 at 3:10pm

Actually, most of the time I do not even bother thinking about it. Sometimes I am even happy that this life is the only one I have and shall have. At other times, I would rather be dead. In sum, I do not want to live for ever either way, so I can only win.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on February 4, 2012 at 6:35pm

There's really no such thing as "forever" anyway. Not in THIS universe.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on February 5, 2012 at 8:31pm

No roasting in an ocean of fire. No boring Heaven, either.

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Permalink Reply by Maurice Whitehurst on February 5, 2012 at 3:03pm

Where is that fact? Just because you ask the dead and they remain silent, then any
fact derieved from that silence is only an assumption, right?

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Permalink Reply by Dave Fischer on February 6, 2012 at 6:25pm

It always intrigues me that the religious can be so absolutely certain, so authoritarian, so dictatorial. And these certainties have been falsified again and again throughout history.  So they just make up new certainties.  They are just making wishful assumptions.  Nothing they propose has ever been shown to be correct.  Only doubt and uncertainty have resulted in progress toward a tentative notion of what is real.  Only a willingness to ask questions and pursue rational thought as best as can be done has created advances in human health, welfare, compassion or any other other category of well being.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on February 13, 2012 at 1:21pm

I was a philosophy major, got an MA. My favorite philosopher was Ludwig Wittgenstein who held that many philosophical problems are due to mistakes in or misunderstandings of our use of language. When we die, we return to the state before our birth. Note that I didn't say "the state we were in," because before you are born, there is no you yet. I think Wittgenstein might analyze death this way: simply because there is a word for it doesn't make it exist. We don't have a word for before we are born analogous to "death." By having the word "death," it implies there might be a second state we go into, whereas there is nothing. The universe just starts doing without a you or me over again the same way when a leaf falls off a tree, the universe goes on without that leaf.

There is no such thing as death just as there is no such thing as a "we" before we are born.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Romano on May 29, 2012 at 7:01am

This denies the grief that is felt by the living. I cannot prove that trees do not grieve when their leaves fall, but I believe that people* grieve when others die. Therefore, death is an experience - at least for those who are alive.

Interesting - my favorite philosopher is Bertrand Russell - who knew a thing or two about Wittgenstein..

* Other animals seem to grieve, albeit for shorter periods than is typical for humans - chimpanzees and wolves have been observed to display behaviors similar to human grief when members of the group/pack have died ... 

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