In one of the interminable threads that devolved into endless discussions of pedophilia a couple of months ago, I raised an academic question about whether those who were commenting could come up with a reason why pedophilia was "wrong" without relying on a Judeo-Christian cultural context.   The history, I argued, was that in Greece and to a lesser extent in Rome, pedophilia in some forms was culturally acceptable; only those pesky Christians managed to radically change the culture.

For me it was just an academic speculation, but apparently I was much closer than I had ever considered possible.

In a recent interview with the Times magazine, Richard Dawkins attempted to defend what he called “mild pedophilia,” which, he says, he personally experienced as a young child and does not believe causes “lasting harm.”

Dawkins went on to say that one of his former school masters “pulled me on his knee and put his hand inside my shorts,” and that to condemn this “mild touching up” as sexual abuse today would somehow be unfair.


Child welfare experts responded to Dawkins’ remarks with outrage — and concern over their effect on survivors of abuse.


I'm just curious what people think?   Even in the midst of the groping, fondling, and raping of kids, and hiding/covering up of the crimes which occurred among clergy of my faith, it was exceptionally rare that anyone actually tried to condone it as being harmless. 

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Well - I know for a fact that people who were abused do not necessarily go on to abuse others.  Thats just another one of those ingrained beliefs that are so hard to change.

Who doesnt love George Carlin  

I love what he said about all those women playing music during their pregnancies.  A females uterus is not a quiet world for a foetus. They hear the heart beating and it sounds like a wind tunnel in there. Its very loud in the womb.

Go kOrsan. Please continue your fine work of ripping apart the binary thinking which seems to be taking over this forum. (I'm also a George Carlin fan.)

Self-Esteem, indeed. If more people started to think in terms of OTHER'S-Esteem, we'd be living in a whole lot happier world.


Belle said:

"Lack of empathy can be "hard wired" to a degree, but if a parent fosters empathy"

and there it is - back to square #1.

Parents of the world are not fostering empathy -  this is the main issue that needs to be addressed.

Who is fostering empathy and who are the role models?


Mel, are you sure of his guilt? Kansas is notorious for falsely accusing people of child abuse.

He has admitted to inappropriate touching. He continues to blame it on others, kind of in a Michael Jackson sort of defense.

Just checking - I have friends from Kansas who tell horror stories about Kansas CPS - they've been known to create cases, to keep their budget inflated, and their court-appointed attorney's are afraid to go against a judge, for fear they won't be appointed again - children<money appears to be the equation in Kansas.


W.T.F - There's nothing that would make me want to look at that link.

I certainly can't blame you for that. I did, and some things you just can't unsee.

I don't even read or watch most of the abuse-related headline stories any more. They just depress me. They very rarely address early detection and treatment. I took HLN completely off my channel list. All I'm interested in nowadays are vetted statistics, what the psych industry has to say from their vast experience, and the neuroscience of sexual behavior.



"I did, and some things you just can't unsee."

OMG OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - I didnt even see it and Im seeing it :(


"All I'm interested in nowadays are vetted statistics, what the psych industry has to say from their vast experience, and the neuroscience of sexual behavior".

Me too - I was warned not to watch the media news.

See - I don't hate you, or I'd feed you the details --!


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