Paul the Apostle!

Oh, sorry the greatest apostle!

  

Paul was the one who build the block of Christianity.


Some ex-christian say, that the whole thing about Paul was ridiculous.

Others say that he was the evil character.

 

 Did Paul and Jesus meet before Jesus died? No.

 

 How did he describe himself?

 

He describes himself as,

_servant of Christ Jesus.

_called to be an apostle.

_set apart for the gospel of God.

 

Well, I see this description as a kind of ego and paranoia!

 

some of his paranoia phrases,

No1 >"For I consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles". ...."As the truth of Christ is in me, no one shall stop me from this boasting in the regions of Achaia."   2 Corinthians 11:5,10.

No2>For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all...". 1Corinthians 15:9,10. 

 

No 3>"But from those who seemed to be something - whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man- for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me. But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles),  and when James, Cephas (Peter), and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised."  Galatians 2:6,7,9 

 

No 4 >""For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; to those who are without the law as without law... that I might win those who are without law; to the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some." Corinthians 9:19-22 

 Atheists, what are your views about Paul?

 

 

 

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Haven't you heard?  Paul was a Roman spy sent in to disrupt the christian movement.  His interpretations of good christian behavior were supposed to be so intolerable and unacceptable by the population as to make them reject christianity.

some say that Paul may have been roman spy or something... but I think it's because that these claims have a relationship with the dissension story with Barnabas (Paul and Barnabas mystery story).. that was my point of view..

 

Paul had a revelation, and saw JC in a vision. Prove he didn't see him lol. Oh wait, we can't! So it must be true... I wish i lived in those times, because i would have done the same. Be the spokesman of god because he can't say shit because he doesn't exist.

Paul's visions= Paul's hallucinations →equation LOL :)

 

>From: http://www.science-spirit.org/articles/Articledetail.cfm?article_ID...

Transcendent Experience and Temporal Lobe Epilepsy.

Fear and Trembling,

the overriding emotion experienced by Mohammed, Moses and St. Paul during their religious visions was not one of rapture and joy but rather of fear. When Moses heard the voice of God from a burning bush, he hid his face and was frightened. Luke and Paul both agreed that Paul suffered from an unknown "illness" or "bodily weakness" which he called his "thorn in the flesh." Many biblical commentators have attributed this to either migraine headaches or epilepsy. Paul did once have malaria, which involves a high fever that can damage the brain. Other psychologists have noted that likely TLE sufferers such as Moses, Flaubert, Saint Paul, and Dostevesky were also famous for their rages.

 

About Paul's visions here is an article,

 

Schizophrenia and Personal Revelations

by Mark Smith

The New Testament is full of visions and voices. Here is just a small sampling:

The New Testament is full of visions and voices. Here is just a small sampling:

Acts 9:10  And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.

Acts 9:12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.

Acts 10:3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.

Acts 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

Acts 10:19  While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

Acts 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:

Acts 12:9 And he went out, and followed him; and knew not that it was true which was done by the angel; but thought he saw a vision.

Acts 16:9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.

Acts 16:10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.

Acts 18:9 Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:

Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision.

These people were having visions and voices up the ying yang. Sort of like the patients in a modern mental ward. Sort of like Andrea Yates. Sort of like the thousands upon thousands of paranoid schizophrenics that walk our streets today. Sort of explains things, doesn't it???

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He is the starter of Cosa Nostra ;D, male chauvinism, misogyny and many other separatist behaviour. He failed to connect old testament with the new (ancient) one.
Thanks,

You are absolutely right Gregor,

and because he left a huge impact on Christianity, that's why I tink he must be criticized.

Not only that, the reason why people dislike christianity is solely his doing, because, with his philosophy doors were opened for many things, like wars, segregation, antisemitism and slavery. The reason why women didn't get educated in christian world, his doing. Horrible, horrible man.

Argument 1: Paul versus Human rights

Paul is the main reason why slavery was justified by Christians in the New World, and in fact he is responsible for much of the horrendous effects of the salvific theology during the colonial period.

In Ephesians 6 Paul told slaves to be loyal to their masters, comparing slave-masters to Christ. In 1 Timothy 6, he again advised submission, praising his own teachings by saying that they were a 'sane doctrine'.

Paul also promoted a Taliban-ish attitude toward women: they had to cover themselves up, sit in the back of the church and never speak or teach.

And then of course there's the long list of false witness that he bore against gays in Romans 1, where he even called gay people assasins, and then he concluded in verse 32 with his stance that gay people deserve to be murdered, as well as those who enable gay people. This is not coming out of the mouth of Reverend Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church (who, inspired by Paul, makes frequent references to 'fag-enablers'), but out of the pen of Paul: it was Paul who first wished gays would all just fall dead. There is still consensus among conservative Christians that it is okay to question gay people's right to exist.

Argument 2: "The lot fell to Matthias"

I believe that the first and most important verse to ponder is Acts 1:22 where Paul's status as an apostle is flatly denied. When Judas was no longer considered an apostle, the disciples cast lots. Two candidates were considered, none of whom was Paul, and Matthias was chosen as the new twelfth apostle.

Paul, in fact, frequently asserted and insisted in his writings that he was an apostle, as if someone in the audience was counter arguing ... I wonder how Matthias felt ... and the people who chose Matthias.

Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
- Acts 1:26

Argument 3: "But do not ye be called rabbi", says Jesus in Matthew 23:8

... however Paul claimed to be one in 2 Timothy 1:11.

Argument 4: Epillepsia?

Then there's the claim that he had a vision on his way to Damascus.  There are 3 different versions which all contradict each other in Acts 9:7, 22:9 and 26:14. In one version he falls to the floor, but in 26:14 they all fall to the floor, not just Paul. In one version the others hear a voice and see a light, in another they see nothing. One would think they would remember exactly what they saw and heard. It does not sound like a believable account. Furthermore, to add fuel to the fire, this is Christ's veredict in the Gospels:

"... if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it." - Matthew 24:23

And so even Christ contradicts Paul in this regard in the Bible! ... But this is not the only time that Bible authors reject the authority of Paul.

"Yet, crafty fellow that I am, I caught you by trickery!" - Paul, in 2 Corinthians 12:16

Argument 5: The church in Ephesus

... I know that you ... have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. - Revelation 2:2

Here we see that at least one of the authors of the Bible mentions that there were false APOSTLES. Notice that it is not false 'prophets' but specifically 'false apostles' that are mentioned here. We should then ask ourselves: who claimed to be an apostle without being one?

Revelation 2:2 mentions that at least one church will speak openly about this false apostle: the Church of Ephesus. In 2 Timothy 1:15, Paul himself admits that he had been rejected in Asia ... and he concludes this chapter specifically mentioning that it concerned the Church of Ephesus.

The fact that Revelation 2 praises those who rejected Paul (I can't think of who else they may have been refering to) is even more important and shocking if we consider the fact that this chapter concerns the final judgement. In other words, whoever wrote this was hoping that these verses would be diluscidated in the future at some point.

Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. - Yeshua, in Matthew 7:15

Benjamin is a ravenous wolf; in the morning he devours the prey, in the evening he divides the plunder. - Genesis 49:27

... I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. - Paul, in Romans 11:1

That was awesome post and great arguments Hiram, .. Thank you!
Thank you for your amazing post! This will be very useful for all my future debates :D

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