After looking around and reading a few reasons people give for being atheist, I've been quite surprised to find that nobody seems to share the reason that first made me an atheist. I've always thought it funny that people turn to religion to answer questions like where we came from, where the world came from, and what are purpose of life is. Most religions attribute such things to the presence of a creator of some sort, a supreme being that made everything. However, this idea has a serious flaw... what created the creator? What created existence in the first place? Why does anything exist? These are questions I've never been able to answer, and I doubt anyone ever will be able to.. not even religion. I was just wondering if anyone else had ever wondered about these things, and what they thought.
An interesting perversion of scientific theories, definetely seems to fail to make any distinction between the physical universe and existence itself and therefor fails to really make any progress. The timeless eternity explanation is basically a because the bible said so idea, but the multiple dimensions of time idea may have some merit and be worth discussing. The rebuttal of why the universe isn't eternal is pretty much pointless since it only argues agianst the idea that the physical universe isn't eternal instead of existence itself.
I think this is something that every child asks. I asked this before, i was around seven years old.
Yeah, right. It's really mysterious. What answer did I got? "God is beyong your imagination,
it is something that cannot be 'shrink' and 'understood' by our finite minds...
He has no end, no beginning..."
Just as how we cannot really imagine the deep side of quantum physics, that may relate to 'other' dimensions and all...
I'm not an atheist but my religion actually encourages us to "search for the truth".
Knowing that something 'created' us, he must be 'something' that is limitless, 'ever-mysterious', beyond us... Hmmm...
Till now, I'm still searching for truth..
To hamstring science with the need for empirical evidence, then purport that God has always existed with an absence of evidence, is not an equitable argument. To suggest that he is "beyond our imagination" is to give up the search.
As Dave is aptly putting forth, what says that the assertion there is a creator means that the creator is of your faith? Intelligent Design started by claiming it was the Christian god. 15 years later, ID is "agnostic" as to the nature of god. It doesn't matter what religion you have, the likelihood is the creator is not the one of your religion. Why would a creature so enlightened want to create possibly trillions of planets, possibly a multi-verse, just to sit back and watch us appease him for billions of years?
The "truth", in terms of religion, is only relevant and meaningful if you respect the leader. All of the leaders that I have respected have sought to bring us together, and not drive us apart. If at the end of seeking we find a creator ( I don't expect it in my lifetime), I will hold him to a standard as high as I hold human leaders to. I don't know of a god that meets my standards.
. If one exists, fine. If one doesn't, fine. "Seeking Truth" within a box (being religion) because you know it's there, is like searching for your Physics Formula's in your Philosophy Books, because you know it's there. Use the right tool for the job.
You're talking end result, doone and I are talking reasons. No universe because of X, Y, Z, etc.
There are many ways that I can get from my house to my workplace. Car, bike, walk, bus, dog sled (okay, maybe not dog sled), all ending with the result that I am at work. When you said 'only one way', that implied only one 'way' to end up with no universe.
No matter how you get there, it's only ever gonna be nothing, no less, no more. Check out "empty set" or "null set". If there is no universe, there is no way to get there. How can you have no universe and say you arrived at that from some place else, there is nowhere else, there is nothing. All the ways you might imagine nothing coming into non-existence is irrelevant and only exists as a concept in the mind of a sentient being who lives in a universe that does exist.
You have to be in a universe to imagine ways in which one does not exist. If there is no universe, then there is no way for anthing to be imagined. I think you and Doone both posit some form of existence from which you think a non existing universe evolves or devolves, but if there is no universe how can anything exist? I'm trying to understand, it just does not compute.