Creation Science
I know, I know - 'Creation Science' is an oxymoron; or is it? I feel like I've been left out of the loop a bit because I just discovered that there really is such a thing as 'creation science'. I expect a lot of flack for even suggesting such a thing but I should point out that emotional reactions to any suggestion of validity to 'creation science' are really on par with the dogmatic rebuttals of theists.
Like all scientists, creation scientists start out with an hypothesis and then go out and test it. I guess the only difference is that they don't really have hypothesis 'b' (or c,d,e,f...) waiting in the wings like reality scientists. Where reality science can drop an hypothesis and move on, creation science needs to get more rigorous, to say the least.
It seems that creation scientists use classical mutlidimensional scaling to group fossils into baramins - a creationist version of evolutionary taxonomy. The multidimensional scaling identifies gaps in the fossil record that leave the remaining fossils in 'groups' they call baramins, which they say were created in exactly that form by a god. Interestingly, this is the most technical definition of a 'god of the gaps' I've ever encountered.
So, the topic to discuss here is; 'IF' creation scientists could actually prove their baramin hypothesis AND reality scientists couldn't falsify it, would you be prepared to accept/admit that macro-evolution did NOT actually occur?
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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on
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You said:
If anyone used scientific methodology, with valid data and was published in a non-creationist peer-reviewed publication, I would seriously take it under consideration.
But that isn't true. This scientist used scientific methodology with valid data and published his findings in a non-creationist peer-reviewed publication and you 100% rejected any validity of his study because you thought he was a creationist. Sorry to say, but your claims do not hold up to the evidence at hand.
Now you go on with an unwavering definition of how creationists go about their work, but you've already proven you are too bigoted to even read the findings of someone you think might be a creationist - so I must ask, is your definition formed on evidence or just dogmatic opinion? I'm sorry, that question was already answered in the previous paragraph.
So I guess I have no more questions.
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Permalink Reply by Adrienne on -
I explained my definition of a creationist, and I will not change it simply to deny to you that I am a bigot. If person who call him/herself a creationist managed to get an article honestly published without plagiarism or faulty science, (as some actually did in the non-biological science journals) I would damn well look to non-creationist scientists who could provide supportive evidence and be shocked if I found any. If the article proved scientifically valid, I would have to question the person's self-evaluation as a creationist.
You can wrap fertilizer in a pretty box, but it is still fertilizer.
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Now we are going in circles as you deny the actual course you took in place of a course you suggest you would take. That's where the discussion ends, I'm pulling out of the traffic circle.
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Permalink Reply by Adrienne on
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If the definition of a creationist is not established, what is the point of this conversation? Your straw man is making the term meaningless.
Creationism is anti-science!
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Permalink Reply by Doug Reardon on -
I don't believe in "if" anymore.
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Well all I ever hear about it is that they totally fabricate everything. I was amazed to find that they were actually using valid statistical methods for analyzing evidence.
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