I’d like to burn some very typical straw men. Hopefully, in the debate over Christianity, these unnecessary issues can be avoided.

Creation  - Neither Genesis nor any of the scriptures demands that the earth and universe is only 6- to 10- thousand years old. The Hebrew word for “day” (yom) could mean long periods of time. The words  “there was morning and there was evening, the first day” could be translated “there was beginning and ending, the first (yom)”.

(BTW, the narrative moves to the surface of the earth in Genesis 1:2. While stars were certainly already in existence, their light was not visible on the surface of the earth until the opaque early atmosphere cleared).

Adam and Eve – While scripture does indicate they were specially created, there are gaps in the biblical genealogies that could place Adam and Eve back 60- to 90-thousand years. This would also predict increasing discovery of a common DNA originating between east Africa and the Mesopotamia.

(BTW, the word for “rib” means “side”. The story of Eve’s creation could mean God created her from Adam for symbolic purposes. I speculate a biopsy, of sorts, from the side, with a few million variations to the DNA producing a female. )

Talking Snakes - A boa constrictor with vocal cords is not in view here. That image comes largely from medieval art. The “serpent” in the garden was intelligent and used for evil. One can only speculate what sort of being it was (perhaps one no longer extant).

The Flood – The fact that a great flood is found in various cultures indicates that it happened. Two questions emerge:  which account is most accurate and whether the flood was global or local.

I’m of the opinion that the flood was regional rather than global for several reasons. First, while the flood was universal in effect, it was only regional in extent due to human’s not having moved much beyond the Mesopotamia at the time. A global flood was unnecessary.

Secondly, language like “under all the heavens”, “all the earth”, etc. are most likely from the perspective of the observer, i.e. a flood from horizon to horizon. “Mountains” could be translated “hills” with rain and water “covering” (or running over) them rather than submerging them.

Thirdly, this would mean there were not polar bears and penguins, etc. on the ark, but only animals indigenous to the region and of special relation to man.

Fourthly, a global flood would have torn the ark to pieces, no matter how well built. And it certainly would not have landed anywhere near its original location.

Fifthly, the scripture itself said a “large wind” was used in the evaporation process. Such a wind would have virtually no effect in a global flood.

Finally, if the flood were only regional why not just have Noah, his family, and whatever animals needed, hike out of the area and be safe? Why a big specifically-built ark? I think because God often operates via symbols teaching important truths or significance, i.e. salvation in Christ or deliverance through troubled waters (trials).

Use of Metaphor – The scriptures use metaphor and other literary devices. One need only utilize common exegetical analysis and context to determine what any author meant as literal or metaphorical (and on a case-by-case basis).

Inerrancy – If there are consequential or factual errors in the Bible  that does not mean Christianity is false. However, I find it remarkable how well the Bible holds up to scrutiny and that there are plausible answers to discrepancies. Personally, I hold to the Chicago Statement on Inerrancy.  

Hell – is not a place of torture (external) but of torment (internal). There are many descriptions of hell in the scriptures. The “fire” is most likely not the chemical combustion we’re familiar with. It, combined with all the other descriptions, reduces to separation from God and the judgment of God.

This does not make hell more tolerable (that’s not possible). But it does dispel hillbilly theology that has poor souls swatting flames for eternity! Christ depicted conversation taking place “in the flames”. No person could have a conversation while on fire! On our familiar planet, one is in mindless torture if burning.

It is, however, a profound tragedy to be eternally separated from God. It is a “spiritual chaos” one enters when the intact “self” survives the physical body.  There are indications that some kind of body could exist in hell.

Heaven – is a remarkably physical place. It is not ethereal or immaterial. It is a combination of a “new heaven and new earth”. We will live on earth in physical bodies that are “spiritual” which nonetheless have access to one another and continued exploration of the universe without many of the limits of current bodies affected by entropy, etc. Christ’s resurrected body could be touched and he ate food, etc. This describes the redeemed, resurrected body.

This is not to be confused with an intermediary state which is not physical. At death, one goes either into the very presence of God to await the resurrection of the body, or in a state of chaos to await final judgment.

“God will not allow anything to happen in your life that you can’t handle” – False! Scripturally, there are plenty of things that happen that one cannot handle! Devastating things! The accurate teaching is that nothing will happen that God’s grace will not get one through.

“You must become like children”  - Christ said to “humble yourself like a little child”. It does not mean to be naïve, ignorant, gullible, or irrational.

Pascal’s Wager This is not an argument for God nor necessarily addressed to atheists. Pascal used a popular gambling motif to shake the French laity out of spiritual complacency and to at least move them in the direction of God.

Further, the Wager, as it is commonly used, is not allowed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15. He said if Christ was not risen, then the jig is up! Christianity is false! He did not say believe it anyway “just in case” or because it provides a positive way of life.

I hope these internal considerations provide food for thought.

Tags: Pascal's, Wager, adam, and, creation, eve, flood, heaven, hell, inerrancy, More…the

Views: 5725

Reply to This

Replies to This Discussion

You must become like children”  - Christ said to “humble yourself like a little child”. It does not mean to be naïve, ignorant, gullible, or irrational."

Yet the latter doesn't hurt in hanging on to that deluded mindset of biblical non-sense.

Sadly I expect that there are few to no folks that can help T.V. with the needed counceling or medication at this site.

We don't know if he/she is faking it, or actually mentally compromised. I did check on a few details, and found that T.V seems well read, but seems limited in his/her ability to communicate. I have noticed his/her ability at humor. I have been around folks with different mental disabilities, and noticed that some forms of mental confusion can come and go, partly dependent upon medication and stress. He/she does seem to spell ok, which could indicate that they have a spell-checker or have very good liberal arts background. I attempted to a small test a few posts ago to see if a sharp response would force him/her to be more clear, and this seemed to work, their prose then decayed rather quickly over the course of their post response.

Thats all I have. I dislike marginalizing people by ignoring or banishing them. T.V.'s posts have been mostly gential with little cruelity, less than our group posts to him/her.

Kris: "Do not go to the Father except for all things God provides all things."

This communication is being placed to my always circumstances now. It is united perfectly with the existence area of Jesus provided direct to this experiencing area. This communication is understanding united with the whole truth that God is doing everything toward what appreciates as well as what is purposeful for changes that depreciate areas of life where that is necessary to no more provisions. To understand to you God's united conduction moving you to eternal unity it is necessary for your circumstances to be able to experience it to you as truth. Where that is not occurring, you can use yourself to understand your existence area to infatuation. The word infatuation is united with the word love.

From your note:

"poetry": Understand about relational knowing according to your observable sights experienced to you by God's conduction of the state of interest.

"appreciatively": Hallelujah to a continuable sight is a emotional communication cadence necessary to understand together at unity with the existence area of Jesus which is a lot of life already doing what it always can.

"At the end": Understood whole, this is God saying, "There is nothing else to be said or done within what is uniting an area of life to Me. This means that the current experiencing area is being provided to direct now with nothing else God is doing to understand it for changes.

You are interested with the information on Jesus and you have had some experiences that God has caused you to love and appreciate God providing. You can participate with what you love fully.

Relating to The Arch Duosees understanding that Twins always come in pairs.

"Is there something else to be said?"

Yes, The set up high see what they love that appreciates together while knowing about it complete.

Here is a non combative measure for symbolic relating understanding ability:

"There is something happening that always happens." Look around for the nervous system information that is saying about this line of understanding within what is late night little integrations coming with embarrassing separations. To be embarrassed is to be covered, clothed, resistant, layered with the sticky life of pollution afraid to be simply naked. Simply naked, by the way, are good pita chips for some having nice seasoning with sea salt. Have whole fluid x 2 in an amount that can be continuous (i.e., drink until you have to breath) after having anything you have to chew.

Do something you know how to do. See what the high school business people are understanding in your area now.

There is something else to be said: You will always be a women.

and...Arch of Handaway says:"Happy to be you."

Yep and writing to someone is able to be done if you can understand your circumstances continuously aware to the always occurring united interest span.

There is nothing else to be said at this location mark.

You can only light a Roman candle once --

But we can indulge in Delete over and over again adnasium...;p(


Relating to James: There is something else to be said.

Understanding Deletion to Completion.

Delete: To unlight, to let go, to un-unite, to separate, to rupture pressure, to be provided to uninteresting but necessary activity that is purposeful for depreciating an non continuable activity area to the floor.

You can look into where that communication goes when you hit delete. There is an area of life that is knowing about that and they do not appreciate what they are receiving to them. There is no such thing as a true delete or an erase or an end to anything. The closest thing to an ending is the area of activity life that is dropped of and no longer given any new provisions doing and saying what is not allowed to be understood in a next related area that is able to be called a new era or an advancement to civilizations activity and communication. That activity life that is dropped of is purposeful again and again for the provision of changes to the life of the environment and it's nervous system communication in an area that "temporal time" is not seeing and knowing about. This life out of the temporal time circumstance is not aware or able to be seen as they were, but is the same unacceptable movement (activity) and communication that will be going around when a next repositioning occurs having a new presentation according to what is understandable in the era. In other words, this life is always of the same volume never gaining more or losing less.You can understand the nervous system information about reincarnation and areas of that understanding relates to life that is caused to reverse interest span being "cut off" from any new provisions of interest or communication. What is discussed as reincarnation is a do over that is again and again and that activity life does not ever move out of that location of the universe having a consciousness that is never the same going around with an existence that is similar to the function of an underground railroad or a subway. The process communication of an existence such as this is able to be written this way: "This consciousness is unacceptable, next one please" and this occurs again and again. This is the truth about how this area of life exists able to be caused to a belief that they are providing something that they do not understand about complete that does not result in an experience with appreciation and instead is an experience with both emotion and activity that is separation.

Where deletes go can be understandable to you and you can even understand the area of life correctly that receives deletes to them if you are provided special still seeing and knowing access to "Window pains" and "Hyperball TV sets". When you understand this area incorrectly dependent upon human beings for how you understand and for what to do, they are telling you how to understand and say about your human existence, how to understand and say about your experiences with the life around you and what to do when you are sad, mad, upset, nervous, etc. What is provided to you by these areas is not united with your existence knowing, doing and saying what is added to again and again.

That is what it is and there is nothing else to be said about delete.

If "Delete: To unlight," is Delight: To un-lete? Inquiring minds want to know --

Relating to "Un-lete": To un-lete is to be aware to light where it is only happening non continuously and so to also then be experiencing what occurs with movement and information at dark. An un-lete occurs at areas of the earthly environment where there is pressure, breaks and life understanding connection or what some understand to call the recycling of trash (deletes).

You can understand about the word unity now.

RE: "You can understand about the word unity now."

I do indeed understand the word, "unity," by virtue of its antithesis - there is no unity to your discourses.

The antithesis of life at unity is life that is cut and dried.

If there is someone in your existence that you have experienced agreement with while having emotion that is "saying something extra special", then you can go over and see what was the interest. Use yourself that way and you are doing what you can continue to do and will know complete about those interests.

"We were cut and dried trying to tell and give someone something that we could not continue to tell ourselves never understanding that what we were giving was something we could understand to receive."

Relating to: "I do indeed understand the word, "unity," by virtue of its antithesis"

Yes, you understand to you activity and informational communication that is purposed for separation. Separating life under too much pressure where they are misunderstanding how they exist and how to go about in their lives understanding from human beings information that can not be used by them within what is continuable.

There is no unity to the divided information that you are understanding to you, because that is not its purpose. You are understanding a lower broken rhythm of meaning and divided nervous system information from the communication of life around you, human and non human, that is not interesting for you to see or experience.

If in this existence, you reach a place where you understand that you can no longer be used this way, you can use what has been written here to move over to an activity existence that can understand a complete conduction that is not about pressure and separation.

All communication that you are understanding to your awareness is to your circumstances and it is possible that at some point in what is your experience of your existence here that you will have a useful and continuable orientation.

Unity: There is nothing little about what is always happening and what is always happening is conducted to complete knowing, appreciating activity and saying that is a perfect accompaniment.

Unity of knowing is not able to be understanding to anyone. When an area of life is not understanding to anyone, we as an existence area populace at activity interested with what God is causing to be seen, known, done and said about now are doing together what we will always do.

When what you are doing and saying is understood as unacceptable, you also are not allowed to be understanding to anyone and it is not about unity, but about a placement in a location that is cut and dry so that you do not interfere with what the united area of your existence where you are interested with understanding a continuous state of united interest known about complete. When moved outside of understanding ability at an "activity play point" that is unacceptable, the experience would be that, "There is nothing I can understand" and you are not allowed to know exactly how long you are in a state of physical and mental paralysis. There is activity life in this existence area now that will be moved there permanently relating exactly to unacceptable activity and communication in prior eras. You can think of it as extinction of certain activity life if you understand that that life will always exists, but in container environments according to preoccupations back and forth from a consciousness that is called a separated circumstance purposeful for separation of activity life in the environment where there is a causation of the environment to do something different. The life that gets moved to these divided containers (a divided one dimensional layer) has been written about before at this area and it is not interesting or necessary to communicate it again now.



Blog Posts

1400 years of human right violation

Posted by proudAthiest on February 11, 2016 at 9:30pm 4 Comments

Gravitational waves

Posted by Davis Goodman on February 11, 2016 at 11:30am 7 Comments

Services we love!

© 2016   Created by umar.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service