I’d like to burn some very typical straw men. Hopefully, in the debate over Christianity, these unnecessary issues can be avoided.

Creation  - Neither Genesis nor any of the scriptures demands that the earth and universe is only 6- to 10- thousand years old. The Hebrew word for “day” (yom) could mean long periods of time. The words  “there was morning and there was evening, the first day” could be translated “there was beginning and ending, the first (yom)”.

(BTW, the narrative moves to the surface of the earth in Genesis 1:2. While stars were certainly already in existence, their light was not visible on the surface of the earth until the opaque early atmosphere cleared).

Adam and Eve – While scripture does indicate they were specially created, there are gaps in the biblical genealogies that could place Adam and Eve back 60- to 90-thousand years. This would also predict increasing discovery of a common DNA originating between east Africa and the Mesopotamia.

(BTW, the word for “rib” means “side”. The story of Eve’s creation could mean God created her from Adam for symbolic purposes. I speculate a biopsy, of sorts, from the side, with a few million variations to the DNA producing a female. )

Talking Snakes - A boa constrictor with vocal cords is not in view here. That image comes largely from medieval art. The “serpent” in the garden was intelligent and used for evil. One can only speculate what sort of being it was (perhaps one no longer extant).

The Flood – The fact that a great flood is found in various cultures indicates that it happened. Two questions emerge:  which account is most accurate and whether the flood was global or local.

I’m of the opinion that the flood was regional rather than global for several reasons. First, while the flood was universal in effect, it was only regional in extent due to human’s not having moved much beyond the Mesopotamia at the time. A global flood was unnecessary.

Secondly, language like “under all the heavens”, “all the earth”, etc. are most likely from the perspective of the observer, i.e. a flood from horizon to horizon. “Mountains” could be translated “hills” with rain and water “covering” (or running over) them rather than submerging them.

Thirdly, this would mean there were not polar bears and penguins, etc. on the ark, but only animals indigenous to the region and of special relation to man.

Fourthly, a global flood would have torn the ark to pieces, no matter how well built. And it certainly would not have landed anywhere near its original location.

Fifthly, the scripture itself said a “large wind” was used in the evaporation process. Such a wind would have virtually no effect in a global flood.

Finally, if the flood were only regional why not just have Noah, his family, and whatever animals needed, hike out of the area and be safe? Why a big specifically-built ark? I think because God often operates via symbols teaching important truths or significance, i.e. salvation in Christ or deliverance through troubled waters (trials).

Use of Metaphor – The scriptures use metaphor and other literary devices. One need only utilize common exegetical analysis and context to determine what any author meant as literal or metaphorical (and on a case-by-case basis).

Inerrancy – If there are consequential or factual errors in the Bible  that does not mean Christianity is false. However, I find it remarkable how well the Bible holds up to scrutiny and that there are plausible answers to discrepancies. Personally, I hold to the Chicago Statement on Inerrancy.  

Hell – is not a place of torture (external) but of torment (internal). There are many descriptions of hell in the scriptures. The “fire” is most likely not the chemical combustion we’re familiar with. It, combined with all the other descriptions, reduces to separation from God and the judgment of God.

This does not make hell more tolerable (that’s not possible). But it does dispel hillbilly theology that has poor souls swatting flames for eternity! Christ depicted conversation taking place “in the flames”. No person could have a conversation while on fire! On our familiar planet, one is in mindless torture if burning.

It is, however, a profound tragedy to be eternally separated from God. It is a “spiritual chaos” one enters when the intact “self” survives the physical body.  There are indications that some kind of body could exist in hell.

Heaven – is a remarkably physical place. It is not ethereal or immaterial. It is a combination of a “new heaven and new earth”. We will live on earth in physical bodies that are “spiritual” which nonetheless have access to one another and continued exploration of the universe without many of the limits of current bodies affected by entropy, etc. Christ’s resurrected body could be touched and he ate food, etc. This describes the redeemed, resurrected body.

This is not to be confused with an intermediary state which is not physical. At death, one goes either into the very presence of God to await the resurrection of the body, or in a state of chaos to await final judgment.

“God will not allow anything to happen in your life that you can’t handle” – False! Scripturally, there are plenty of things that happen that one cannot handle! Devastating things! The accurate teaching is that nothing will happen that God’s grace will not get one through.

“You must become like children”  - Christ said to “humble yourself like a little child”. It does not mean to be naïve, ignorant, gullible, or irrational.

Pascal’s Wager This is not an argument for God nor necessarily addressed to atheists. Pascal used a popular gambling motif to shake the French laity out of spiritual complacency and to at least move them in the direction of God.

Further, the Wager, as it is commonly used, is not allowed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15. He said if Christ was not risen, then the jig is up! Christianity is false! He did not say believe it anyway “just in case” or because it provides a positive way of life.

I hope these internal considerations provide food for thought.

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Unseen - your SoulMate's on the line for you again - you two have SO much in common! Intelligibility, for example --

Maybe we have too many brain cells. It is very easy to become disenchanted with lfe, boored with details, and sick of nuttyness. Remembering most everything, might make us too introspective, unhappy with changing prospects, and worrysome with the awareness of the 'end'.

Sadly, I am not willing to give it all up, it is just getting interesting....LOL 

I think an interesting thing about it, is that it tries to explain why male and females seem like they should be equals, but aren't in ancient societies.  An "it wasn't supposed to be like this" reference.  That is some pretty forward thinking for that locale.

I don't find it 'forward thinking' for anyone local where people have mothers.

It would seem to make sense that a person could tell that the mother is important.  However, an example from rural Mexico shows that in cultures like that the children can be raised with the mentality reinforced from an early age.  

My wife and I know a woman who lived in Mexico who told me about how she would often see a mother carrying a very young male child while a girl of the same age would be forced to walk.  Someone she dated had a mother who would make sure the male children and the father were fed before she ate.   It is quite sad, but it is a bit of forward thinking when someone realizes "hey this notion I had reinforced in me since early childhood seems wrong".

I think this disorder was called 'the idiot'.

I'm curious why this loving god didn't just forgive them, after all what children don't make mistakes? If he is all knowing, he must of known they would dis-obey right? Not much of a father figure, and what a freaking mess he made of things. 

"Why should I allow that same god to tell me how to raise my kids, who had to drown his own?"
-- Bertrand Russell --

Did you know that Russell had his own rough version of the Ten commandments?

One of my favorites: Fear not to be excentric of opinion, for all opinions, now accepted, were once excentric.

James is understanding something interesting with the area of Russell writing together: "Fear not to be excentric of opinion, for all opinions, now accepted, were once excentric."

This is nice to see and able to be communicated as "good continuable medicine" to some who are back and forth within the non continuable activity of pressure and separation.

Happy to see this communication life understanding with you and others what is useful.

Actually wasn't it only Adam who was told they couldn't eat of the tree...? 

They had no knowledge of right and wrong... it would be impossible for this action to be a sin. Further, this serpant could not have done what it did without god's knowledge and support.


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