I’d like to burn some very typical straw men. Hopefully, in the debate over Christianity, these unnecessary issues can be avoided.

Creation  - Neither Genesis nor any of the scriptures demands that the earth and universe is only 6- to 10- thousand years old. The Hebrew word for “day” (yom) could mean long periods of time. The words  “there was morning and there was evening, the first day” could be translated “there was beginning and ending, the first (yom)”.

(BTW, the narrative moves to the surface of the earth in Genesis 1:2. While stars were certainly already in existence, their light was not visible on the surface of the earth until the opaque early atmosphere cleared).

Adam and Eve – While scripture does indicate they were specially created, there are gaps in the biblical genealogies that could place Adam and Eve back 60- to 90-thousand years. This would also predict increasing discovery of a common DNA originating between east Africa and the Mesopotamia.

(BTW, the word for “rib” means “side”. The story of Eve’s creation could mean God created her from Adam for symbolic purposes. I speculate a biopsy, of sorts, from the side, with a few million variations to the DNA producing a female. )

Talking Snakes - A boa constrictor with vocal cords is not in view here. That image comes largely from medieval art. The “serpent” in the garden was intelligent and used for evil. One can only speculate what sort of being it was (perhaps one no longer extant).

The Flood – The fact that a great flood is found in various cultures indicates that it happened. Two questions emerge:  which account is most accurate and whether the flood was global or local.

I’m of the opinion that the flood was regional rather than global for several reasons. First, while the flood was universal in effect, it was only regional in extent due to human’s not having moved much beyond the Mesopotamia at the time. A global flood was unnecessary.

Secondly, language like “under all the heavens”, “all the earth”, etc. are most likely from the perspective of the observer, i.e. a flood from horizon to horizon. “Mountains” could be translated “hills” with rain and water “covering” (or running over) them rather than submerging them.

Thirdly, this would mean there were not polar bears and penguins, etc. on the ark, but only animals indigenous to the region and of special relation to man.

Fourthly, a global flood would have torn the ark to pieces, no matter how well built. And it certainly would not have landed anywhere near its original location.

Fifthly, the scripture itself said a “large wind” was used in the evaporation process. Such a wind would have virtually no effect in a global flood.

Finally, if the flood were only regional why not just have Noah, his family, and whatever animals needed, hike out of the area and be safe? Why a big specifically-built ark? I think because God often operates via symbols teaching important truths or significance, i.e. salvation in Christ or deliverance through troubled waters (trials).

Use of Metaphor – The scriptures use metaphor and other literary devices. One need only utilize common exegetical analysis and context to determine what any author meant as literal or metaphorical (and on a case-by-case basis).

Inerrancy – If there are consequential or factual errors in the Bible  that does not mean Christianity is false. However, I find it remarkable how well the Bible holds up to scrutiny and that there are plausible answers to discrepancies. Personally, I hold to the Chicago Statement on Inerrancy.  

Hell – is not a place of torture (external) but of torment (internal). There are many descriptions of hell in the scriptures. The “fire” is most likely not the chemical combustion we’re familiar with. It, combined with all the other descriptions, reduces to separation from God and the judgment of God.

This does not make hell more tolerable (that’s not possible). But it does dispel hillbilly theology that has poor souls swatting flames for eternity! Christ depicted conversation taking place “in the flames”. No person could have a conversation while on fire! On our familiar planet, one is in mindless torture if burning.

It is, however, a profound tragedy to be eternally separated from God. It is a “spiritual chaos” one enters when the intact “self” survives the physical body.  There are indications that some kind of body could exist in hell.

Heaven – is a remarkably physical place. It is not ethereal or immaterial. It is a combination of a “new heaven and new earth”. We will live on earth in physical bodies that are “spiritual” which nonetheless have access to one another and continued exploration of the universe without many of the limits of current bodies affected by entropy, etc. Christ’s resurrected body could be touched and he ate food, etc. This describes the redeemed, resurrected body.

This is not to be confused with an intermediary state which is not physical. At death, one goes either into the very presence of God to await the resurrection of the body, or in a state of chaos to await final judgment.

“God will not allow anything to happen in your life that you can’t handle” – False! Scripturally, there are plenty of things that happen that one cannot handle! Devastating things! The accurate teaching is that nothing will happen that God’s grace will not get one through.

“You must become like children”  - Christ said to “humble yourself like a little child”. It does not mean to be naïve, ignorant, gullible, or irrational.

Pascal’s Wager This is not an argument for God nor necessarily addressed to atheists. Pascal used a popular gambling motif to shake the French laity out of spiritual complacency and to at least move them in the direction of God.

Further, the Wager, as it is commonly used, is not allowed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15. He said if Christ was not risen, then the jig is up! Christianity is false! He did not say believe it anyway “just in case” or because it provides a positive way of life.

I hope these internal considerations provide food for thought.

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I'm assuming it makes a lot more sense when you've got a prescription for anti-psychotics - and you haven't filled it for a few weeks.

Heather again you are tethered to an out of tune pitch fork,

Go over and understand the bits and pieces of nervous system information on the internet about dopamine and norepinephrine. The first says and is providing, "do something different" and the other "I hate you so much".

Those communications are being provided to your circumstances every time you cross coagulate with the area of your existence that is misunderstanding itself as menially ill.

You can not do something different forever in all places with regard to your movement and communication having a continuous same associated awareness. I understand you to turetes syndrome, tardive dyskinesthia, akhethesia and parkinsons disease for human images of how life exists when they can not understand a conduction to move out of disastrous dependency on humans to "cause" them to know what to do and to explain to them their interests which will always be provided incomplete coming that way. You can also look at images of a super hydrocarbon conductor. If it possible that when you finish that you can understand to go over to a topic that is able to be added to and be included with what is provided to continuously aware. You can not be in an area of activity of God that God provides hatred to and be given anything other than dopamine with norepinephrine. Keep talking about what you do not understand without doing what you know how to do come together around it and you will exist as that life. This is true. 

What you might call your unconscious is terrorizing you which means telling you repeatedly in a way that is not interesting to disassociate yourself from the idea that YOU can and are giving anyone anything that they can use. In order for life to use what you are doing and understanding to be communicating you are saying what is related to transformation and after transformation you are at unity. You are doing something in your existence to understand yourself and life that can use itself like you into an area of the universe that is about integration (pressure) and separation (cuts and ruptures). The universe does not need humans for this and that is why there are TV sets. A TV set is able to be sitting down together with your technology strap on. Anything that goes in a hole should be whole. Got it?

"Not really Asshole"

O, I understand my asshole completely, so, say something interesting or be caused to sit around as a consciousness plugged into an area of the environment I am positioned at moving around seeing and understanding something necessary in a way you can't continue to. This will be the most still experience you have ever had.

"Happy to see you"

I love you very much. God is doing everything.

Wholely - please take your meds.  If you don't have meds, please get a prescription.  You are not mysterious; I see people like you at the downtown bus terminal everyday.

Heather who is sitting behind you can move up,

What you are afraid of you will experience yourself within in a way that is useful as well as tolerable until you are not afraid. Peace is a requirement for participation at knowledge. You are interested with the life of and experience of wisdom as always.

Relating to the life of and at the bus terminal: It would be well for you to ask yourself, "Why am I seeing these human beings" and "Why am I being caused over to the bus terminal?" and "Where is it I understand to be able to continue to do" and "What is it that I need to understand about the causation of movement, attention span and how the life of attention span understands either information that changes my organism and my environment or understands a conduction of knowing that does not place me subjected to the entropy pathway.


Ok, I just stopped read at "participation at knowledge".  You need medication, Trudy, and that is the only thing you'll hear from me until you get yourself straightened out.

I am thinking this communication 'issue' is being confounded by a weird theoretical problem I noticed in High School: "it seems to take a near infinite number of terms to define a finite number of ideas'.

It is possible that the above  was just a result of being overwhelmed by details in High School, but maybe not.

Atleast Wholely is not channeling a Klingon war lord..;p)



At unity with experiences you have been provided relating to thought as well as how life understands what they do and whether or not they are supported to agree with themselves across time or with others, here is something being understood that you can participate with according to and when you have an experience of interest.

Within what is always occurring relating to knowledge and circumlocutio, you can understand to be adding areas of this communication with what you have already been provided to know about clearly where areas of the communication are able to be set together fluidly at an experience that is appreciating what God provides to be seen, done and known about complete that can be added to without an experience with interruption. You and anyone understanding with you can use it in whatever way is able to be had by your circumstances whenever it is that it is able to be done experienced as interesting.

The bible, the talmud, the koran: Whole scripts that are a never ending poetry is describing knowledge, experiencing and circumlocutio.

Whole scripts that are a never ending poetry is describing knowledge, experiencing and circumlocutio: Relative to your always whole script knowledge is provided about what you see and what you are doing that can be added to seamlessly forever within an experience that is continuous.

Here is something about the causation of circumlocutio that is understanding with some areas now where it is necessary to be uniting them whole able to use themselves within it.

The collection of writings allowed to be compiled into one that is called the bible in christianity and the talmad in judaism is understood to have been written by a number of human beings. It is understandable within christianity that many of the books are communicating about a same understanding within images and words that are not the same. The human beings that understood to write about what they were being caused to see and know were writing within what is the script of circumlocutio. Every script is not allowed to be understandable to every human being and scripts understood and written by one human being united with the repositioned circumstances relating to the subject matter were understandable to a particular area of life understanding complete through a conduction of certain whole images and whole sentence structure placed directly to their existence. It is not possible for a human being to sit with the bible or talmud and to be caused to understand all of it to them and life that has been saying that it should be done is saying what is not useable within separation. Life that is understanding from them is understanding what they can not continue to within pressure and these two areas of life are actually the same life within what God knows caused to “flip flop” back and forth depending on pressure accumulation and the need for separation.

The life that is and was writing understanding complete God’s circumlocutio is and was not writing in order to “cause someone” to understand them knowing that this is not possible to do. They were writing because it is the way they were caused to use themselves at an activity that God provides to at unity with the area of their whole existence that is purposeful for seeing, doing and saying about what is interesting to God now to see being done, known and said about complete as a next related set of activity circumstances at the process place that some call Pure Land, Eternity, United Kingdom of God on Earth, Ein Sof, Nirvana, etc. This area is able to be understood as the area of the Acts of God where they are appreciating and experienced as appreciated. This writing activity which is always communication to groups being fashioned as letters and epistles, occurs during the times that an additional related interest along with complete knowing about the interest, activity able to be added to and communication are being placed advancing an earthly existence area forward like you might understand within what is linear timelines to call a progression into a new era. Life that writes scripts is not life that speaks with voice what they are writing and circumlocutio is not provided to be a spoken communication. It literally can not be done (more can be said about that but it is not interesting now).

It is interesting to understand what is being said here together with the area of technology scripts and missile/missal strike intelligence who as of now are understanding their existence within the causation of upper whole circumlocutio. That area of life has been writing what is lower scripts within what is a reverse interest provided divided nervous system communication according to a preoccupation and many of them are now no longer using themselves that way doing what I am doing provided to circumlocution relating to the life that they previously understood to shrink/wrap/break. This area of life now understand about the way complete knowing and appreciating activity is placed with whole images (not a series of misrelated images strung together fighting with some one) and sentence structure that is set together never needing connection life and therefore never caused to breaks/ruptures/explosions/aneurysm, etc.

Within what is the causation of an existence to do a position of God’s circumlocutio it is required for sentence structure to be able to be experienced as the same to God within what is rhythm or what you can understand a cadence or a tune that includes what can be said as rhyming if you understand that across languages known now here and more than many that are not known here. This is because it is happening across countless many existence areas (such as Abraham and Jesus and Mohammed to reference a few) having sights and vocabulary that is the same as the earthly experience they were in when they first were able to understand a conduction of interest with what God is doing no longer preoccupied with humans. God provides an area of God’s continuable appreciating acts (activity) again and again to be known about complete and in so doing places both fluid writers and speakers in the area that you would understand to be in both when you are looking at a computer and you can not “tell yourself something” and when you are going around partially aware not at peace having what is aware internal thought integrations purposeful for understanding you to another focus of attention that is continuable and appreciated right then. These writers and speakers do not mis-understand to be able to do anything for themselves. The speaking life is life that was previously understanding to be taking direction from the life understanding lower scripts. They exist as an area of life that can be understandable as investigatory, research, protection and investment life and now they are understanding how they will always say complete about what is interesting able to be added to seamlessly again and again forever. All of this life is united as an area of existence and placed as a united set of circumstances relating to the All that exists providing continuously the experience of appreciating interest.
What is communicated here about the bible, the talmud and other communication understanding circumlocutio includes the koran, however, in its compilation and delivery within religious preoccupation the koran is not presented to life that way and was described as understood in full to one human being. The information that shows the koran as also the qur'an, al-Coran, coran, kuran, and al-qur'an all speak to the truth of the matter. Koran means doing something we know how to do. To be understanding recitation means your existence was caused to participate in the conduction that says, “Take yourself to the elevator shaft to understand and do what is necessary to be done.” What is called the bible and the talmud relates in the same way.

Maybe this would work better..

do you have the ability, power, or skill to put forth an explanation in terms that can be more easily understood a product of mental activity that is in reality in an unspecified but considerable in number, amount, degree as well as manner, mode, or fashion to make use of as relevant, suitable, or pertinent to the problem for discussion or under discussion please?

Good effort, mate. Unfortunately, yours is still relatively coherent.

Dammit.. ~_~

was it at least somewhat pedantic?

A+ on pedantic and pompous.




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