Yesterday at work I overheard part of a consversation that hurt my brain.

Customer: It's so warm today!

Worker 1: Must be global warming.

Worker 2: Global warming isn't real.

Worker 1: Yes, it is.  Go back to school.

Worker 2: Do you believe in God?

Worker 1: Yeah.  Yeah. 

Worker 2:  [looks skeptical]

Worker 1: Yes, I do. Why would I lie about that?

To my great dismay, I missed the part where Worker 2 explains how his belief in God conteracts the Greenhouse Effect.  It kind of shocked me that they would talk about something politicized, like climate change, at work.  I was blown away when Worker 2 brought up God. 

Has anyone else encountered this kind of God-trumps-climate-change thinking?  What do you think the Climate Change Skeptic/Theist would have said next?  For my edification and general amusement, please tell me, how does this work?

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(1) God promised never to destroy the world again

*cough* revelations *cough cough*

Lol, matt. Thank you, Gallup's Mirror.  I cannot believe I forgot all that!  Two years out from theism, and so much of it seems incomprehensible and irrelevant.  I guess my mind made room for new information...  It's strange, I used to actually stress out about God's "promise" too, especially after learning about nuclear weapons as a pre-teen.

I wonder if people who rest on God's flood promise realize that it's probably going to be crop failures, water shortages, disease, and resource wars that cause the most human death as a result of climate change?  I imagine that once ocean levels reach a certain point, most people will evacuate.     

I expect that NIMBYs= 'Not in my back yard', will be the common statement used to describe people newly displaced by a rising sea level. There are places along our Oregon coast that could be new high tide areas rather soon. 

As an attempt to determine the amount of carbon our timber land sequestures every year, I started to hit the books, reading websites, and building a database concerning human and environmental sources of carbon and CO2.

The data starts getting very messy if you start from the source/emission side of the question. I have spent the last few days trying to nail down the CO2/carbon emissions just from soils. The human side was rather easy with lots of data from the EPA, DEQ, state governments, that has been kept over several years.

The scientist in me is not really satisfied with statements that seem framed to support a belief, but is sometimes taxed to produce good data sets that would convince anyone one other than a true believer. This deeply upsets me, and causes me to wonder if there is something 'wrong', with either my research skills, or the 'available' evidence?

I was asked not long ago, what my confidence was in the global warming claim, my response was, 'about 80%'.  After I wrote a small paper on Mass Extinctions about ten years ago, I noticed a pattern in the palioclimate data, that seemed to imply a correlation between mass extinctions and thermal changes in the environment, with extinctions that seemed to happen at the inflection points of the temperature  curves. I did not see much correlation with large asteroid impacks, maybe because of bad data related to continental drift in deep time.

So far my '80%' is about the best I can do. I quess if I toss a coin for global warming in might be right, sometime after I am dead, what a crappy experiment, I most likely will never get to know...;p(.

Quote Douglas Adams and the puddle...

Yes, 'Bags of mostly water.

But, just maybe the puddle gets to see the world as a vast place, as a puff of water vapor...LOL

I made this into a video 3 years ago :]

Nice.  Douglas Adams was superb in so many ways.  Did you see the last talk he gave (its a TED talk)?  It goes for 1hr 26 minutes and leaves you simply wanting more.  There's a good copy on youtube, if you search for "TED Douglas Adams".

Oh, this afternoon I finally figured out the carbon sequestrure issue for our timber, the answer seems to 17 tons of CO2/year, over 25 acres, about .68 tons CO2/acre. Cool...

Oh yes, they almost go hand in hand.  Like anything it will have to reach critical fucking mass before we really do anything about it.  Until then hopefully small scale solutions will continue to build until the big one is stumbled upon. Go science.. 

I have not had the pleasure of having or overhearing a conversation like your example.  If I have, I have apparently blotted it out of conscious memory.  It reminds me of another conversation:

I was hiking in a local state park.  I knew where I was going because I had been lost there before, so when I found two college-age girls lost at the same spot at which I was previously lost I offered to hike out with them.  

We were hiking along for several miles, pleasantly discussing a variety of topics.  One of them was majoring in occupational therapy and since I am an occupational therapist we had a lot to talk about.

Some time later the other girl said she was going to a church thing at Yellowstone National Park that upcoming summer.  Without thinking about it, I said, "Well let's hope the supervolcano doesn't blow while you are there.  Of course, even if it blows while you aren't there it won't make much difference because it will wipe out America's bread basket and likely make living anywhere on the planet difficult.  Of course, in order for any Earth-based species to contonue, we have to get off the planet because even if the Yellowstone supervolcano doesn't get us, something else likely will, as has been the history of life on the planet."

She said, "What?  There's a supervolcano under Yellowstone?" with a look of sheer terror and incomprehension on her face.  

I said, "You don't know anything about the supervolcano under the entire park?"


"What about mass extinctions through geological time?":


"Uhh... umm... chances are it won't happen in our lifetimes anyway, so you should just go and enjoy yourself!."

I forgot that I was more cynical, a lot older, and apparently much more scientifically knowledgeable than this girl.  I felt like a heel.  The conversation was a bit awkward after that but eventually we started talking about safer topics.  They were relieved when we finally got glimmers of the cars in the parking lot, both because they were safely out of the woods,and probably because they could get away from the helpful but terrifying Doomsday Hiker.

What a great name for a hike.

The Doomsday Hike in Yellowstone.


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