I never understand this line of logic. You speak as though there are no consequences for our actions here, now, in this moment. I would not get to play and love in the way that I do, if I did not also work and make money. That aside, I get a sense of pride from my work because those around me value what I do. There is life after death, but not my own. There's the life of those who will outlive me. In my society, I trust that most people who kill whoever, whenever are found and locked away. Wishing that there's some sort of justice in death for those who get away with crimes might feel good, but life is not a storybook.
so i can kill whoever i want whenever i want and if i get away with it in life then i'm just as the other guy who prayed and helped others and spent his money on the poor??
Yes. Some people get away with doing bad things. There is no almighty grownup supervisor daddy figure that will put the bad kids into the metaphorical corner of the universe for a time out, OR pat you on your head for a job well done. Grow up.
That's really one of the major reasons you people believe in all that nonsense. You want to be assured that your praying and spending money on the poor was not done in vain. You want there to be a "heaven" so you can get your reward like a dog who jumped through hoops, waiting for his treat and a pat. You don't give a shit about helping poor people. You just want to be seen doing it, seen by "god," so you can be rewarded. This shows your self-serving egoistic side.
And about the punishment.. you can't fathom the fact that others would get away with doing things you don't like. So you want to tell yourself that the bad bully guys who didn't enslave themselves to your god WILL get their punishment, no matter what. They cannot live free! They cannot have fun while you're praying and inconveniencing yourself! They will surely suffer. Either they will suffer, or they will submit to your religion and be held to the same standards as you are. So it's either endless pain or slavery to your god. This shows your petty sadistic side.
“why work then let's just play and love”
Well I don’t know about you but I HAVE TO work to support myself and my family, I find it somewhat strange that you couldn’t answer that for yourself.
“another question what does happen after we die”
After we die our consciousness is snuffed out and our bodies decompose and you end up where you were before you were born, nonexistent. It happens to every other living thing on the planet, why would you think it wouldn’t happen to you, because a book tells you differently? Because you have an emotional need to believe otherwise? Must you escape reality to live your life happily, productively?
“so i can kill whoever i want whenever i want and if i get away with it in life then I’m just as the other guy who prayed and helped others and spent his money on the poor??”
Yes, now you are catching on, there are no afterlife punishments for murderers or any other crime (unfortunately) and that is a reality of which so many have a hard time coming to grips with, for life nor death are anything but fair, sad but true.
I often see that kind of question coming from a person with a religious mindset, and I actually find it kind of frightening. It’s as if though their thinking has become so deluded that they can no longer rationalize some of the most basic principles, and I have to wonder, what kind of person would you be if you didn’t believe in an invisible magic man in the sky? A killer, a rapist, just because you can without going to hell, how F@#%ed up it that? Do you really think the human race would have survived as long as it has if everyone had that outlook on life? I would lay odds that if you gave up your god today you would most likely still strive to be a good, caring person assuming you are that now.
I believe in no gods, but I also have no desire to kill anyone, on the contrary, I would prefer to help people rather than destroy them. I do good not for a reward after death but because that is the most peaceful way to coexist with others, and yes, I feel good when I help someone that is on hard times or is suffering, but I expect no reward nor would I except any if it were offered.
I’m not so naive however to think that everyone else feels the same why I do. I’m very aware that there are those that would take my life without thinking twice whether they believed in a god or not.
Good luck on you journey brother.
Actually doubtful, there are those who don't accept that as truth - there is in fact a book out, questioning the existence of Muhammad, here's the link:
I have not read the Quran, but I have read the Bible, both old and New Testaments, and find them to be 15% history and 85% bullshit. Since the Quran is based on the Abramic Old Testament, I would have to assume that those same percentages hold true. How can a book, based on lies, be true?
The first male and female human beings didn't just 'appear', they were born. We didn't become human beings in one generation though, it took literally thousands of generations to differentiate between other primates and the creatures that we could readily identify as humans.
I doubt Moses ever existed, and we certainly see no evidence for the great 'Exodus' from Egypt. Jesus was most likely a real person in history, and I believe we can be certain that Mohammed existed.
There is no particular reason that we are on earth. There is no particular purpose for living - it is up to each of us to find meaning in our own lives.
I hope that straightens everything out for you.
so these primates where did they come from??
moses didn't exist then jews around the world are just living a lie and the whole talk about moses in the bible and qura'n is alsso a lie??
you just said two opposites the is no purpose but yet we have to find ameaning !!
Those primates evolved from mammals, over thousands of generations differentiating from other mammals.
Judging by archaeological evidence, yes, Jews are living a lie. Not only did Moses not exist, but their old testament contains all sorts of literary clues, which they ignore, to divergent mythologies. They once even had a fertility goddess named Ashurah. Your qura'n isn't any better.
I have not stated opposites at all. There is no particular purpose, leaving it up to us to find (create) our own meaning. You'll need to upgrade your grade-school argumentation to hold your own around here, son.
where did those mammals come from :D?
I'll assume that you've accepted that the evidence heavily favours the view that Moses did not exist and therefore Judaism and Islam are a lie. I'll also assume that you have come to realize that we make our own purpose in life because none is inherent. This then only leaves our biological origins, and it seems that although you are a doctor you remain ignorant of our biology.
Here is some further reading based on your only remaining question then:
The evolution of mammals has passed through many stages since the first appearance of their synapsid ancestors in the late Carboniferous period. By the mid-Triassic, there were many synapsid species that looked like mammals. The lineage leading to today's mammals split up in the Jurassic; synapsids from this period include Dryolestes, more closely related to extant placentals and marsupials than to monotremes, as well as Ambondro, more closely related to monotremes. Later on, the eutherian and metatherian lineages separated; the metatherians are the animals more closely related to the marsupials while the eutherians are those more closely related to the placentals. Since Juramaia, the earliest known eutherian, lived 160 million years ago in the Jurassic, this divergence must have occurred in the same period. After the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event wiped out the non-avian dinosaurs (birds are generally regarded as the surviving dinosaurs) and several other mammalian groups, placental and marsupial mammals diversified into many new forms and ecological niches throughout the Paleogene and Neogene, by the end of which all modern orders had appeared.
Mammals are the only living synapsids. The synapsid lineage became distinct from thesauropsid lineage in the late Carboniferous period, between 320 and 315 million years ago. The sauropsids are today's reptiles and birds along with all the extinct animals more closely related to them than to mammals. (This does not include the mammal-like reptiles, a group more closely related to the mammals.)
RE: "where did those mammals come from?"
Read Richard Dawkins' book, The Ancestor's Tale, it will answer your question better than any of us can. When you've finished, get back to us and let us know what you've learned. Off you go now --
Well, this is how understand or think about these questions.
1. I'm an evolutionary thinker, so the "first humans" probably evolved from an earlier hominid.
2. I've always assumed those men existed. Those religious books that tell the stories of Moses and Jesus were written by religious men who wanted to record those stories for historical and religious reasons. It is not to say that the stories weren't embellished to captivate the readers or listeners, but I do believe, they had the purpose of strengthen and maintain religious beliefs.
3. I know these are two of the big questions, and it seems so important to some people. I guess it's one of the disadvantages of being a complex thinking being: we think about a lot of things and feel a need to know the answers. So many people find the need to believe in "God" for that reason. I am content to believe this is the way evolution has progressed here on Earth. The purpose all living things seems to be to reproduce the species. I figure, since that seems to be happening, and since humans have such a highly developed ability to think, then a secondary purpose could be maintenance and improvement of the lives of our species and other species on the planet.
Everyone needs to develop their own understanding of their life and the world. Reading a variety of information -books, journals, websites, etc, and discussing different thoughts and opinions is healthy. Even though I attended Sunday school as a child, I grew up in a family that accepted individual choice and free-thinking. I realized I was an atheist in my thinking as an early teenager. I was pleased when I turned 18, a legal adult, and when filling out a personal information form, I wrote down in the Religion spot: NONE. That was in 1972. I've been totally comfortable with thinking this way since.