can anyone answer me please ??
walk me through the answers of these questions plz:
1-how did the first male and female human beings appeared?
2-is there moses, jesus, mohammed _peace be upon him_??
3-why are we on earth ? what is the purpose of living??
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Permalink Reply by onyango makagutu on -
@ Heather, i think he studied edicine
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Permalink Reply by onyango makagutu on
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@doubtful, by the same measure you have used to eliminate the other religions to remain with the Abrahamic religions, you could apply the same process to eliminate yours.
In a different discussion, we attempted to show one of your brothers the folly of thinking the prophet lived. He is a mystery figure just like the rest, in fact his death is not written about until almost 2 centuries after the alleged death. So unless you have other evidence of his existence outside the quran please share it with us here. You see the one thing about this group is our love for knowledge, so bring it on.
And by your asking if anyone here has gone through the three holy books to look for god is an indication, I think, of your finding the evidence in one wanting and so which one do we believe?
Nietzsche said "the christian resolve to find the world evil and ugly has made the world ugly and evil". Don't look for a purpose, the universe just is, is that not enough to go on?
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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on -
@doubtful - that's two words. If you want to talk about people who changed their views on the existence/non-existence of Allah/Yahweh, then why don't we take a quick peek at some people who realized that Islam was just a steaming pile of superstitious bullshit.
- As'ad Abu Khalil – Lebanese professor of political science at California State University, Stanislaus. He describes himself as an "atheist secularist".[16][17]
- Zackie Achmat – South African anti-HIV/AIDS activist; founder of the Treatment Action Campaign.[18]
- Ismael Adham – Egyptian writer and philosopher.[19]
- Mina Ahadi – Iranian-born pacifist, founder of the German apostate-organization "Zentralrat der Ex-Muslime".[20]
- Sharif Ahmed – Bangladeshi Humanist Book seller, human rights activist and secular humanist.[21]
- Javed Akhtar – Noted Indian writer, lyricist, TV show host and secular and nationalist activist.
- Ramiz Alia – Albanian communist leader and former president of Albania.[22]
- Kareem Amer - Egyptian blogger. [23][24]
- Humayun Azad – Bangladeshi writer and scholar.[25][26]
- Hassan Bahara – Moroccan-Dutch writer.[27]
- Loubna Berrada – Dutch liberal politician and former member of the Central Committee for Ex-Muslims.[28]
- Hafid Bouazza – Moroccan-Dutch writer.[29][30]
- Parvin Darabi - Iranian born American activist, writer and woman's rights activist.[31]
- Hossein Derakhshan – Iranian-Canadian journalist and weblogger.[32]
- Turan Dursun – Turkish writer. He was once a Turkish mufti and later authored many books critical of Islam.[33]
- Afshin Ellian - Iranian professor.[34]
- Mirza Fatali Akhundov – 19th century Azerbaijani playwright and philosopher.[35]
- Ayaan Hirsi Ali – Somali-born Dutch feminist, writer, and politician.[36]
- Enver Hoxha – Communist dictator who declared Albania the first atheist state.[37]
- Ehsan Jami – Dutch politician and founder of the Dutch Central Committee for Ex-Muslims.[15]
- Ismail Kadare – World-renowned Albanian writer.[38]
- Sarmad Kashani – 17th century mystical poet and sufi saint, arrived from Persia to India, beheaded for assumed heresy by the Mughal emperor, Aurangzeb. Sarmad renounced Judaism, briefly converting to Islam and then Hinduism. He later denounced all religions and rejected belief in god.[39][40]
- Jim Al-Khalili - British-Iraqi physicist.[41]
- Al-Ma'arri – Blind Arab philosopher, poet and writer.[42]
- Lounès Matoub – Algerian Berber Kabyle singer and activist.[43]
- Seema Mustafa – Indian journalist, Political Editor and Delhi Bureau Chief of The Asian Age newspaper.[44][45]
- Maryam Namazie – Iranian communist, political activist and leader of the British apostate-organization "Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain"[46]
- Kumail Nanjiani - Pakistani American stand-up comic and actor.[47]
- Taslima Nasrin – Bangladeshi author, feminist, human rights activist and secular humanist.[48]
- Aziz Nesin – Popular Turkish humorist and author of more than 100 books.[49]
- Barack Obama, Sr. - Kenyan senior governmental economist, and the father of Barack Obama.[50]
- Ibn al-Rawandi – Early skeptic of Islam from Persian origin.[51]
- Salman Rushdie – British-Indian novelist and essayist.[14]
- Nyamko Sabuni - Politician in Sweden.[52]
- Zohra Sehgal – Indian actress who has appeared in several Hindi and English language films.[53]
- Anwar Shaikh – British author of Pakistani descent.[54]
- Dr. Younus Shaikh – Pakistani medical doctor, human rights activist, rationalist and free-thinker.[55]
- Ali Sina - Iranian-Canadian activist and owner of the faith freedom website.[56]
- Ali Soilih – Comorian socialist revolutionary and president of the Comoros.[57]
- Wafa Sultan – Syrian-born American psychiatrist and controversial critic of Islam. She describes herself as a "Secular Humanist"[58][59]
- Cenk Uygur – Turkish-American co-founder and main host of the progressive talk radio show The Young Turks. He is an agnostic.[60]
- Ibn Warraq – British Pakistani secularist author and founder of the Institute for the Secularisation of Islamic Society[61]
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Permalink Reply by onyango makagutu on
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@doubtful
You simply are amazing!
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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on
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And Flew wasn't an 'atheist researcher'. Atheism is not a field of research. What is your point?
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Permalink Reply by matt.clerke on -
This sounds suspiciously like the no true Scotsman fallacy...
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Permalink Reply by onyango makagutu on
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@ doubtful
I have looked at a brief biography od Antony Flew on wikipedia and I will look for his book "There is a God" and read it. By that time this thread will have disappeared in the archives, but since I would so much want to revisit the topic with you, just send me click on add friend on my profile and we can keep this conversation going.
However, I have heard time to look at his interview with Habermas and he says very well in the opening paragraphs that he doesn't believe in revealed religion though he is open to the idea. He believes in Aristotelian God who is much different from your god or for any revealed religion. Why you use him as support for your religion is beyond me! Unless of course you are silently saying you are a deist?
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Permalink Reply by Cara Coleen on -
First of all, Anthony Flew developed dementia in the last year or two of his life, and his book, There is a God, was mostly written by Christians who took advantage of his failing mind (exploitation at its finest). Also, the arguments in that book were pathetic. I so tire of anecdotal "evidence".
Secondly, even if Flew had a genuine conversion in his last days (mind intact), that doesn't prove the existence of a god as much as it proves we want to be comforted by the idea of an afterlife when we're so close to dying. Death-bed conversions only prove what we already know: we're scared of the unknown.
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Permalink Reply by Dave Gibbs on -
a hidden purpose
I'm not so big on "hidden" purposes.
that would be like me coming out and sayin i don't believe in physics even before i study it
You don't believe in gravity, or believe in objects continuing to move until they collide with something, despite seeing these things happen thousands of times... for example... compares to say, I don't believe an invisible man of omnipotent power that wants to subject everybody that doesn't believe in him and his prophet to horrible fiery torments simply for that... all because I only read ~5% of the Quran and found those parts to be silly? Are you really comparing these two? Point 2 simply does not make any sense at all.
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Permalink Reply by doubtful on
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i meant by hidden purpose what an atheist might think not a religious man
you are dealing with qura'n as if it's a newspaper it's abook that must be read from cover to cover then you can judge it and say: yes i believe in this or no i can't belive in this
and by the way god is not any thing that you just said if you read the qur'an you 'll understand who is god and why were we created and if you didn't then only then you can call yorself an atheist
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