walk me through the answers of these questions plz:

1-how did the first male and female human beings appeared?

2-is there moses, jesus, mohammed _peace be upon him_??

3-why are we on earth ? what is the purpose of living??

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non of them was an islamic researcher

@doubtful

You simply are amazing!

And Flew wasn't an 'atheist researcher'.  Atheism is not a field of research.  What is your point?

This sounds suspiciously like the no true Scotsman fallacy...

@ doubtful

I have looked at a brief biography od Antony Flew on wikipedia and I will look for his book "There is a God" and read it. By that time this thread will have disappeared in the archives, but since I would so much want to revisit the topic with you, just send me click on add friend on my profile and we can keep this conversation going.

However, I have heard time to look at his interview with Habermas and he says very well in the opening paragraphs that he doesn't believe in revealed religion though he is open to the idea. He believes in Aristotelian God who is much different from your god or for any revealed religion. Why you use him as support for your religion is beyond me! Unless of course you are silently saying you are a deist?

First of all, Anthony Flew developed dementia in the last year or two of his life, and his book, There is a God, was mostly written by Christians who took advantage of his failing mind (exploitation at its finest). Also, the arguments in that book were pathetic. I so tire of anecdotal "evidence".

Secondly, even if Flew had a genuine conversion in his last days (mind intact), that doesn't prove the existence of a god as much as it proves we want to be comforted by the idea of an afterlife when we're so close to dying. Death-bed conversions only prove what we already know: we're scared of the unknown.

a hidden purpose

I'm not so big on "hidden" purposes.

that would be like me coming out and sayin i don't believe in physics even before i study it

You don't believe in gravity, or believe in objects continuing to move until they collide with something, despite seeing these things happen thousands of times... for example... compares to say, I don't believe an invisible man of omnipotent power that wants to subject everybody that doesn't believe in him and his prophet to horrible fiery torments simply for that... all because I only read ~5% of the Quran and found those parts to be silly? Are you really comparing these two? Point 2 simply does not make any sense at all.

i meant by hidden purpose what an atheist might think not a religious man

you are dealing with qura'n as if it's a newspaper it's abook that must be read from cover to cover then you can judge it and say: yes i believe in this or no i can't belive in this

and by the way god is not any thing that you just said if you read the qur'an you 'll understand who is god and why were we created and if you didn't then only then you can call yorself an atheist

you are dealing with qura'n as if it's a newspaper it's abook that must be read from cover to cover then you can judge it and say: yes i believe in this or no i can't belive in this

Sorry. You don't get to decide the rules I follow for deciding when something is nonsense. I just need to find one moral absurdity... a single scientific falsehood... or anything along these lines to know a book that claims to come from a god/prophet(s) is false.

and by the way god is not any thing that you just said if you read the qur'an you 'll understand who is god and why were we created and if you didn't then only then you can call yorself an atheist

Sorry, but you don't get to define atheism. In addition, when I read very plain passages from an English quran, or hear/read some Saudi Arabian priest or believer discussing their own religion, what the quran says, etc., I'm going to believe that is what the quran teaches rather than believe some guy on an internet forum telling me that I just don't understand.

 

It appears we are speaking a different language, hence I'm done following this topic.

A "purpose" implies a consciousness that has some goal.

A "hidden purpose" necessarily implies a hidden consciousness, not our own.

Purpose of life, that's easy, work, play, love, why does it need to be so complicated?

Why would I be concerned with a "hidden" purpose. If it's hidden, how would I even know it exists or that it could ever be found, and if I did think I found it how could I be sure I found all that was hidden? I'll concern myself with the realities of life.

Do you ever ponder why so many people have the NEED to feel so damn special about themselves, especially those will a religious mindset. We are simply evolved biological animals, like everything else on the planet, we just happen to smarter than the others, or at least some are anyway.

by hidden i meant from an atheist point of view not a religous man's point of view

alright let's say that the purpose of life is work and play and love why work then let's just play and love and another question what does happen after we die ,, is that it yu 're sayin ?? so i can kill whoever i want whenever i want and if i get away with it in life then i'm just as the other guy who prayed and helped others and spent his money on the poor??

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