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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on September 6, 2012 at 2:21pm

RE: "The first "human" wasn't modern man (homo sapiens) and was most likely hard to distinguish from a bipedal chimp or gorilla."

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on September 6, 2012 at 2:43pm

Then of course there's Unseen's ancestor, whose philosophy was, "Walk softly and carry a big rock!" One can see the family resemblance in the mouth --

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Permalink Reply by Brian Daurelle on September 6, 2012 at 4:00pm

1) Contrary to Thomas' answer, we do know about the origins of humans, it's just that your question is worded in a way that is rooted in a misconception. If you were to trace any one person's ancestory back to the origins of life, you'd observe a gradual progression backwards from modern humans to the origin species. There was never any point at which one of our ancestors had a child that looked nothing like them. Speciation occurs very slowly, such that no living member of a species would ever be different enough from a different generation that they wouldn't be able to breed together. This is no more controversial a proposition than saying that you are just as human as your grandparents, although there doubtless exists some genetic variation between you. Thus, on our imaginary backwards review of ancestors, there's no set point at which you'd be able to say 'these are the first humans', but rather a fluid progression away from 'human'. If we could made a specimen of pre-humans with a modern human, we might perhaps be able to draw a more-or-less distinct boundary by seeing how far back we had to go to find non-reproductive pairings, but that's clearly not possible.

2) Muhammed's historical reality is more or less certain, Jesus' is fairly certain, though largely fabricated, elaborated and distorted, and Moses' is doubtful. Many of the supposed deeds, sayings and miracles of Jesus can be shown to be 'recycled' from other traditions, which would have been widely circulated in the cultural milieau at the time of Christianity's coalesence. Available historical evidence suggests that Jesus was a historical figure who is completely different that our modern conception of him, which was largely constructed by Paul of Tarsus some decades after his death. The real Jesus was probably an apocalyptic Jewish street preacher of a type common in that area of the Roman empire. As for Moses, there is no record of him or anyone like him outside Judeo-Christian sources, and almost all of the things attributed to him can be found in other religious texts predating the Torah.

3) Whatever. No one can answer that for you.

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Permalink Reply by mohammed ibrahim on September 7, 2012 at 4:38am

1. By evolution the first human male and female appeared they evolved from a lesser male female beings. In short and i know what you are asking there was no adam and eve and heaven from which the descended and satan and a tree its all a fairy tale told to little children and they grew up believing it - just like santa - in a world where knowledge wasn't easily spread and human minds weren't as developed and numerous as today. They didn't have thinkers and they were too busy surviving so they told a false story as true and there are still small minded people that believe it to the extreme , specially Muslims.

2. Those prophets most likely existed because of some historic evidence - Artifacts, etc - That someone with that name and in that era has indeed walked Earth. But how do we explain them is the question. They didn't talk to God that's for certain because if they really did and they did hear voices in their heads that would make them lunatics. Because in our modern society - Today - you wouldn't believe a guy that says " God talked to me in my head ". Because there is a medical reason for that and he should probably see a psychaitrist (sp?). What these prophets did was use the stupidity of people that needs hope - like slaves and unfortunate poor people , that already believe in fairy tales like adam and eve - and use the lack- or slowness- of knowledge spreading and try to gain fame, control and power. In order to do that a prophet is not a lunatic a prophet is a very smart human being on the unfortunate side.

3. Just chance, a serious of reactions and materials fit together and made something. Particles that just fit, evolution. Why we are NOT here is to worship a non-existent-fairy tale told - God that's promising you heaven and hell. That's just tidiously silly for an almighty, god don't you think?.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on September 7, 2012 at 5:19am

Absolutely! I don't care whether you can spell psychiatrist or not, you have my vote!

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