I'm fairly sure most (all) of us feel parent/child incest is wrong, and for fairly obvious reasons. 

However, if a brother and sister are very careful about pregnancy prevention or, better, one or both of them is unable to conceive, what would be wrong with it?

BTW, I'm NOT trying to decide whether to do it with my sister (LOL). This is just a question that came to mind while in a discussion with another person.

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Good point. I shouldn't judge. I know a couple well-educated, intelligent native English speakers who think that pushing the Shift key is too much effort to make themselves understood. That does piss me off.

But other languages have the concept of sentences and paragraphs. The mess perpetrated by lifeimagex1 strikes me not as someone struggling with grammar but simple laziness.

There I go judging again.

I agree. He's just taken some of the lazier writing habits of our youth when it comes to capitalization, punctuation, etc., to a new high (low?).

Nice, Josh!

lifeimagex1, now i feel ya

(But now I'm hoping the "12 year olds [...] with older men" part of the translation is incorrect.)


“I found this post through Google and had to join in this little talk."

What was he looking for in Google in the first place to come across this post?


my spidey senses are tingling.


"omg, I thought the same thing."

Its kind of like those men who end up in hospital with vacume cleaner hoses and other strange objects stuck up their ass, and the excuse is - 'Oh - it was an accident,  I fell on it'.  .. lol

Brings new meaning to: The Hello Kitty Dildo!! xD

WTF! Women are f***ing their cats?

At least your topic kept the "love" within the same species!

Thank you, Josh Westhoelter. That was so much clearer.


So... I believe gay sex is 100% fine and so is gay marriage. It's consensual, it's love, it's only 2 people, it's really not different at all than a straight couple doing these things. The only difference is there is no chance of an accidental pregnancy between the two gay people. And no chance that even if they used all that science has to offer, in this day and age no 1 child could be comprised of both of their DNA - although if they tried, they could get quite close in some cases, choosing a sperm donor or egg donor of one of their opposite sex siblings or something.

To some degree I agree with the points that if we allow gay marriage we should also allow brother/sister marriage (and the same is true if you swap out "sex" for the word "marriage).

I do think there are a few key differences though that are important.

Accidental pregnancies can very rarely be 100% avoided. The two most common "permanent" ways to avoid pregnancy still fail: The rate of failure of about 1 in 2000 vasectomies which is considerably better than tubal ligations for which there is one failure in every 200 to 300 cases. If an accidental pregnancy was to occur, new rules would have to be put in place that don't apply to same-sex couples. OR maybe they wouldn't, maybe them choosing to procreate is fine? Do we force incest (the subset of rape) victims to terminate their pregnancies if they don't want to? I don't think we do. It's illegal for them to have incestuous sex, right? But once a father impregnates his daughter through rape, even if the gene pool is all messed up, is she actually forced into an abortion if she doesn't want one for whatever reason (presumably religious super "pro-life" reasons but there could be others)? I don't think she is. I don't think anyone is ever forced into an abortion in the United States at least. Tell me if I'm wrong.

This law could change but should it? I'm not sure, but the question arises.

The other difference that is a significant one is the idea of well, brothers & sisters are, the vast majority of the time, raised together. There are many documented cases of brother/sister rape and it'd be somewhat important to figure out if it was way more likely that incestuous relationships would be some form of rape. We would not want to make this legal if it makes rape more likely, or other issues arise that relate to the rape side of incest.

The two most common "permanent" ways to avoid pregnancy still fail: The rate of failure of about 1 in 2000 vasectomies which is considerably better than tubal ligations for which there is one failure in every 200 to 300 cases.

People take all sorts of chances when having sex. For example, having it drunk, even though alcohol can cause various birth defects and developmental issues. In that case, all we do is warn. We don't forbid people from having sex when drunk. We expect people to behave responsibly, including if they suspect they may have done something ill advised. We don't forbid men and women (mostly women it would have to be) from having sex under the influence. We hope they do the right thing if they make a mistake. Why should sibling incest be any different?

Because a third human being is thrown into the mix. It's not really morally acceptable to "force suffering" of some kind on a new "genetically messed up" child. That's why it's different. That's the whole point. It's not about the couple getting pregnant. It's about the pregnancy potentially not being aborted and the child who is produced. It's about if it should be legally okay to force the abortion on the woman or the couple, or if it's not that big a deal for that child to exist when compared to all of the other types of children allowed to be brought into existence, or... etc. That was my only point.

The chance of something bad happening for genetic reasons is actually not huge even in cases of incest, and yet we let people pair up with each other without barging in to see if there might be some unfortunate pairing of genes. I don't get the hysteria over sibling incest when they are being responsible about pregnancy. If they're either sterile to start with or are serious about not getting pregnant then I'm not worried about it. In the vague chance that a pregnancy might occur anyway, they are likely to believe in abortion (I doubt if they'll be hyper-religious). Anyway, if we are so hot to prevent genetic anomalies, then we should be looking at every single coupling, not just marital partners but all boy/girl sexual relationships.


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