Here are some verses that come directly from the Bible that preachers refuse to quote publicly, proving that they selectively pick and choose verses out of context which justify their personal bigotry against gay and lesbian people. Take a look for yourself...

Some preachers often quote Leviticus 20:13 against gay and lesbian people, which says...

"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

Let's now take a look at other verses that are in the same book as the above verse. This exercise proves that those preachers who are so enthusiastic about quoting Leviticus 20:13 become awfully quiet when it comes to other verses. Far from being about faith, this is really about the desires of certain preachers to promote religious prejudice against gay and lesbian people...

"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)

Imagine what would happen today if we killed every child who was disrespectful to his parents. Most preachers conveniently choose to ignore this verse, which is merely 3 verses before Leviticus 20:13.

"If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people." (Leviticus 20:18)

Imagine what would happen today if we deported every man and woman who had ever had sex together while the woman was having her period (which is exactly what the above verse commands). Most preachers choose to ignore this verse, which is merely 5 verses after Leviticus 20:13.

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)

Did you ever wonder where racist Southerners and even the Supreme Court in the 1800's got the idea that slaves were just "property" and not people?

From the above verse, which most preachers, in their picking and choosing, choose to completely ignore. Or, maybe someone should ask those preachers if they support slavery, as does this verse.

Those Southerners were still racist, even though they were quoting the Bible to support their racism, just like some preachers quote Leviticus 20:13 to support THEIR bigotry against gay and lesbian people.

"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27)

Almost no preacher has never preached against the evils of shaving as they choose to completely ignore this verse as well. But that's what many anti-gay preachers do...they pick and choose what to believe. So much for being a "Bible believing" Christian, as many often claim to be.

"At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts." (Deuteronomy 15:1)

Imagine the chaos that would befall the American economy if the United States Government decided to "cancel" all debts every seven years. It would be an unmitigated disaster, which is probably why most anti-gay preachers quietly choose to ignore this verse, too.

"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of the town. They shall say to the elders, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.' Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death..." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

If anti-gay preachers were to tell parents to bring their disrespectful children to City Hall headquarters to be stoned, they'd probably lose their entire following, which is why they also choose to ignore this verse, too.

" not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)

Farmers in this country almost always grow more than one kind of crop in their fields, so most anti-gay preachers choose to ignore this verse as well. If they were to preach against farmers, they'd be in an uproar.

Most anti-gay preachers also ignore the Biblical command to not wear clothes that have two different kinds of material. I could be wrong, but the shirts that these preachers are often seen wearing must be a cotton/polyester blend, the most common in the United States of America. Yes, they choose to ignore this verse, too. "Bible believing" Christians? Hardly. They're one of those "pick and choose" Christians.

In conclusion...

What does this all mean? It means that most anti-gay preachers really ARE bigots even though they quote the Bible to back up their bigotry against gay and lesbian people. They pick and choose what parts of the Bible justify their condemnation of gay and lesbian people and ignore those which do not.

They quote the Bible against gay and lesbian people but conveniently choose to ignore verses that are in the very same chapter as the ones they quote. You have to understand, bigots usually ALWAYS use out-of-context facts ("non-sequiturs") and half-truths to justify their bigotry.

This proves that most anti-gay preachers choose which parts of the Bible endorse their own personal beliefs and ignore those that do not. What does this mean for you? It means that you can truly grow in the proper study of the Word ONLY by recognizing that the Bible shouldn't be misused the way those anti-gay preachers misuse it.


Many fundamentalist Christians have written to me since I first authored this page. They have argued that the verses I quote above are from the "Old Mosaic law". As such, they argue, the admonitions that it is OK to own slaves and forbidden to shave or wear clothes with two different fibers are not meant to be taken literally for our modern day.

My response is to agree completely! That is my whole point. If all the verses I quote above are NOT meant for today, then the anti-gay verses are not meant for today, EITHER. You can't say on one hand that, "Those verses are party of the old Mosaic Code" while using OTHER verses in that same code against gay and lesbian people.

The Old Mosaic code forbade homosexuality for a very simple, logical reason. The Jews believed that it was a sin for a man "to waste his seed". They believed that a man only had a limited number of sperm and once it was used up he could never have children again.

Therefore, the Jews, because they did not have the benefit of modern science, declared that sex must only be used for procreation. This is completely understandable since they were in desperate need to grow the Jewish population.

Today, however, it is foolish to take that verse out of context, given our historical understanding of its purpose. It is also foolish to apply a 4,000 year old admonition against homosexuality to our modern day, especially when we understand the reasons why it was made Old Testament grow the Jewish population.

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he Dead Sea Scrolls prove the accuracy of the transmission of the Bible.

In fact, in these scrolls discovered at Qumran in 1947, we have Old Testament manuscripts that date about a thousand years earlier (150 B.C.) than the other Old Testament manuscripts then in our possession (which dated to A.D. 900).

The significant thing is that when one compares the two sets of manuscripts, it is clear that they are essentially the same, with very few changes.

The fact that manuscripts separated by a thousand years are essentially the same indicates the incredible accuracy of the Old Testament's manuscript transmission.
A full copy of the Book of Isaiah was discovered at Qumran.

Even though the two copies of Isaiah discovered in Qumran Cave 1 near the Dead Sea in 1947 were a thousand years earlier than the oldest dated manuscript previously known (A.D. 980), they proved to be word for word identical with our standard Hebrew Bible in more than 95 percent of the text.

The 5 percent of variation consisted chiefly of obvious slips of the pen and variations in spelling."
From manuscript discoveries like the Dead Sea Scrolls, Christians have undeniable evidence that today's Old Testament Scripture, for all practical purposes, is exactly the same as it was when originally inspired by God and recorded in the Bible.

Combine this with the massive amount of manuscript evidence we have for the New Testament, and it is clear that the Christian Bible is a trustworthy and reliable book.

The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that the copyists of biblical manuscripts took great care in going about their work.

These copyists knew they were duplicating God's Word, so they went to incredible lengths to prevent error from creeping into their work.

The scribes carefully counted every line, word, syllable, and letter to ensure accuracy.
//James 1:13 says "..for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." Gen 22:1 says "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham..."//
a better translation of Genesis would read
Genesis 22:1 (New American Standard Bible)

Genesis 22

The Offering of Isaac

1Now it came about after these things, that (A)God tested Abraham, and said to him, "(B)Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am."
//Gen 6:20 says "Of fowls after their kind and of cattle [etc.]...two of every sort shall come unto thee..." Gen 7:2,3 says "Of every clean beast thou shall take to thee by sevens...Of fowls also of the air by sevens..."//

Both are possible because the second one refers to clean beasts

//Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." John 19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."//

Luke 23:46 (New American Standard Bible)

46And Jesus, (A)crying out with a loud voice, said, "Father, (B)INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT." Having said this, He breathed His last.

John 19:30 (New American Standard Bible)

30Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "(A)It is finished!" And He bowed His head and (B)gave up His spirit.

Anyways both of those can happen for example he could breath his last and then drink the sour wine saying it is finished and then give up His spirit or he could have said both and then died both of these texts leave room for the possibility of omissions.

//Gen 32:30 states "...for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." John 1:18 states, "No man hath seen God at any time..."//

Gen 32 Jacob is speaking and he is incorrect but he did say that

//1 Kings 7:23 "He made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." Circumference = Pi() x Diameter, which means the line would have to have been over 31 cubits. In order for this to be rounding, it would have had to overstate the amount to ensure that the line did "compass it round about."//
A cubit is an non approximate measurement that is not standardized that being said it never says it is a perfect circle

//Lev 11:20-21: "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you." Fowl do not go upon all four.//
here is what it actually says in one of the best translations of Hebrew

Leviticus 11:20-21 (New American Standard Bible)

20'All the winged insects that walk on all fours are detestable to you.

21'Yet these you may eat among all the winged insects which walk on all fours: those which have above their feet jointed legs with which to jump on the earth.
//Lev 11:6: "And the hare, because he cheweth the cud..." Hare do not chew the cud.//

It is known that rabbits practice what is called "refection," in which indigestible vegetable matter contains certain bacteria and is passed as droppings and then eaten again. This process enables the rabbit to better digest it. This process is very similar to rumination, and it gives the impression of chewing the cud. So, the Hebrew phrase "chewing the cud" should not be taken in the modern technical sense, but in the ancient sense of a chewing motion that includes both rumination and refection in the modern sense.1
1. Geisler, Norman and Thomas Howe, When Critics Ask, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Books, 2002, p. 90.
I am just correcting someone that said that there were factual errors in the Bible because they are wrong there are no factual errors in the Bible.

I find it odd that Atheists are so fixated on Christianity I mean why not Islam or Hinduism or some other religion why is it that Christianity is the main focus. Is it because deep down you know its true, but you dont want it to be so you look for reasons to criticize it to make yourself feel good.

Btw God has to exist
The Universe is made up of matter space and time None of which are finite. For example if I offered you a million dollars after an infinite amount of time has passed you would never get the money because it is impossible to transverse an infinite amount of time. If time were infinite that would mean that an infinite amount of time has passed before this point which as we concluded earlier is impossible. If time is finiteit would have to have a beginning. If time is finite it would also have to have a creator who is outside of Time i.e God. Therefore God exists, its really not that hard to prove
The Bible is inspired by God because it makes predictions about the future which have happened

(8) The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient Jewish nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the Jews captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 B.C. and the second in 70 A.D. God's spokesmen said, further, that the Jews would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the Jews would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24).

This prophetic statement sweeps across 3500 years of history to its complete fulfillment—in our lifetime.

Evidence for Moses and the Red Sea incident

So now that we can conclude that the Bible is inspired by God it speaks of
Ephesians 2 (New American Standard Bible)

Ephesians 2

Made Alive in Christ

1And you were (A)dead in your trespasses and sins,
2in which you (B)formerly walked according to the course of (C)this world, according to (D)the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in (E)the sons of disobedience.

3Among them we too all (F)formerly lived in (G)the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were (H)by nature (I)children of wrath, (J)even as the rest.

4But God, being (K)rich in mercy, because of (L)His great love with which He loved us,

5even when we were (M)dead in our transgressions, made us alive together [a]with Christ ((N)by grace you have been saved),

6and (O)raised us up with Him, and (P)seated us with Him in (Q)the heavenly places in (R)Christ Jesus,

7so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing (S)riches of His grace in (T)kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

8For (U)by grace you have been saved (V)through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is (W)the gift of God;

9(X)not as a result of works, so that (Y)no one may boast.

10For we are His workmanship, (Z)created in (AA)Christ Jesus for (AB)good works, which God (AC)prepared beforehand so that we would (AD)walk in them.
I suppose i stand corrected perhaps the Hebrews couldnt understand the earth as being a ball because it has hills there are many reasons why it could be written as circle instead of ball
Isaiah 40:22 (New American Standard Bible)

22It is He who [a]sits above the [b](A)circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like (B)grasshoppers,
Who (C)stretches out the heavens like a (D)curtain
And spreads them out like a (E)tent to dwell in.

interesting footnote [b] Or vault
Thats thouroughly debatable and you see it that way because your an atheist
Just getting more pictures doesnt make your point any stronger
From H2328; a circle: - circle, circuit, compassive
seems to be more circle like than circle a sphere is circle like
The whole of the New Testament hinges on the Old Testament. In order to accept what is in the Old Testament, you have to agree with everything in there that doesn't follow logical science. You'd have to accept that our ancestors weren't primitive hominids but a pair of (possibly white) modern humans. You'd have to accept that those two lone people created the whole of the human race, possibly creating genetic shallowness through incest. You'd have to accept that plants were made before the sun. You'd have to accept that the world is only 10,000 years old and that dinosaurs lived at the same time as people. You'd have to accept the validity of magical gardens and talking snakes. You'd have to accept that every animal on the entire planet was within walking distance from Noah's Ark. You'd have to accept that a lot of people mentioned in the Bible only had sons mentioned and yet the family lineage still continued. You'd have to accept that the world was covered in water all the way past the tallest mountain and that all this water can be moved away from the planet in a relatively short time. You'd have to accept that the sky was a "firmament".

It doesn't add up. The fact that people swallow this garbage as inerrant truth just because it says "And God said so" inside the same book as proof of the book's truth is mind-boggling!
I watched my DVD of "Inherit The Wind" about the Scopes "Monkey Triaf" (1925) last night. Talk about fundamentalists. Remove the prefix "funda" and you get mentalists.

A couple of questions come to mind. According to Christian Fundies "God made Man in His own image". Did "God" have a Penis? Did "God" have a belly button?
You forget that with the physical size of the ark it would have taken noah at least 30 years to build and it would be physically impossible to fit 2 of every species on it with the dimensions given.


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