Hi all

 

Hopefully this is in a suitable forum, I would like to throw this out there and see what people have to say.

 

I was raised in a Catholic family, so I was baptised as a baby. Obviously I had no choice in this and had I the option I would not have participated in such a pointless activity.

 

I had my family over to stay a few months ago (and they know now that I am not Catholic) however as usual we got into a discussion about religion which quickly turned into a heated argument.

 

I told them that I was not Catholic, never was and never will be. I was told that as I was baptised, I have (and I quote) "the mark" and that one day, something would happen to me which would make me believe in god and that I am a Catholic.

 

Naturally I know that this is quite frankly bullshit, and that it plays no part in my life. However I felt angry, even violated in some way that as a baby, with no choice or ability to comprehend, I was a participant in an activity which holds some pseudo Lord of the Rings type meaning to people who believe in something I do not.

 

I find the smugness of this belief to be very unsettling. That I was baptised means absolutely nothing to me as I don't believe in it. The thing that I don't like however is that in some way I am counted among their 'flock' being on the baptismal records in the church in my home town.

 

I have read articles on rejection of baptism, and that there are certificates and other things available, I'm not that affected by it to want a declaration on my wall, however I would like to hear from others who have had similar experiences/have had their names taken off their church register and how they went about it.

 

I hope that I didn't rant on and that I get some valuable feedback from those interested.

 

Thanks all

 

D.

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"Once catholic, always catholic."  Why does it matter what they think?  I was raised catholic, never bought it, didn't decide to be one  You can't change what others say or believe, you can only change yourself.  

Thanks for the input Doug.

 

I don't care what they think. As I said before baptism has no meaning to me.

I just want to know if anyone else has had this argument before and what would be a good counter point. Also, who do I contact to get my name taken off the list?

I don't even know if I was Baptized or not.  Truth be told, I don't care because it is meaningless in and of itself.  Some feel that it is an abusive ceremony, but to me that just gives the ceremonial sprinkling of water meaning that I don't think it has.  The indoctrination that might be taking place by parents who value such ceremonies as meaningful is the real harm, not Baptisms.

 

Personally, I wouldn't let it ruffle your feathers and there may be no use in arguing the point with family if it truly upsets you.

You have the "mark?"  So, you're "saved"--no matter what you do??  Shucks!  Me too.  I thought infant baptism was a meaningless ceremony meant to comfort greiving parents, held over from the days of a higher infant mortality rate...since iinfant baptism seems to be at complete odds with the concept of salvation through free will.  Nope.  Apparently it's taken quite seriously.  It amazes me how little of my own faith I managed to soak up during all those years of brainwashing mass and ccd.  Baptisms are a must!!!  It just sucks to be you, if you died early and weren't "lucky" enough to have Catholics around you, looking out for your membership status immortal soul: 

"The Catholic teaching is uncompromising on this point, that all who depart this life without baptism, be it of water, or blood, or desire, are perpetually excluded from the vision of God."

...and...

"Baptism is held to be necessary both necessitate medii and præcepti. This doctrine is rounded on the words of Christ. In John 3, He declares: "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he can not enter into the kingdom of God." Christ makes no exception to this law and it is therefore general in its application, embracing both adults and infants."

-New Advent's CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Baptism.

Interestingly, those who have always been "insane" may also be baptised (It's considered conditional unless the person was "sane" at one point and had expressed desire for baptism.  Then it takes!),  the unborn may be baptised if they can be reached in uterus by an instrument containing baptismal water (A conditional baptism again--best douse their head after birth to make sure it really sticks.  God and ruptured placenta willing, that is.), and foundlings are also to be given conditional baptisms (After checking to see if they were already baptized, but heck, it's always best to go ahead and do it again any way.).   Got that!?

 

Children of Jews, Infidels, and Protestants are excluded from baptism.  :-O  The church doesn't want to violate "parental" rights or expose a newly minted Catholic to the "danger" of perversion later in life.  Unless...and this is a true beauty:

"...particular circumstances may require a different response. For it would undoubtedly be licit to impart such baptism if the children were in proximate danger of death; or if they had been removed from the parental care and there was no likelihood of their returning to it; or if they were perpetually insane; or if one of the parents were to consent to the baptism; or finally, if, after the death of the father, the paternal grandfather would be willing, even though the mother objected."

 

Oi veh, Mama!  Hey, they're just looking out for your soul...it has nothing to do with increasing the flock!  The whole practice seems rediculous to me.  I'd like to get my name crossed off the list too, but aren't there bigger fish to fry?  Ok, it's rather silly (and somewhat sickening) that parents can enter their unaware, unconsenting infant into an eternal "agreement" with the Church.  Thankfully, it's a completely meaningless agreement, not like those of olden days--indenturement, slavery, dedication to a monastery, and apprenticeship.  Hey, you have been a Jewish boy foundling, both baptised and circumcised, without a say in either matter. 

You have the "mark?"  So, you're "saved"--no matter what you do??  Shucks!  Me too.  I thought infant baptism was a meaningless ceremony meant to comfort greiving parents, held over from the days of a higher infant mortality rate...since iinfant baptism seems to be at complete odds with the concept of salvation through free will.  Nope.  Apparently it's taken quite seriously.  It amazes me how little of my own faith I managed to soak up during all those years of brainwashing mass and ccd.  Baptisms are a must!!!  It just sucks to be you, if you died early and weren't "lucky" enough to have Catholics around you, looking out for your membership status immortal soul: 

"The Catholic teaching is uncompromising on this point, that all who depart this life without baptism, be it of water, or blood, or desire, are perpetually excluded from the vision of God."

...and...

"Baptism is held to be necessary both necessitate medii and præcepti. This doctrine is rounded on the words of Christ. In John 3, He declares: "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he can not enter into the kingdom of God." Christ makes no exception to this law and it is therefore general in its application, embracing both adults and infants."

-New Advent's CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Baptism.

Interestingly, those who have always been "insane" may also be baptised (It's considered conditional unless the person was "sane" at one point and had expressed desire for baptism.  Then it takes!),  the unborn may be baptised if they can be reached in uterus by an instrument containing baptismal water (A conditional baptism again--best douse their head after birth to make sure it really sticks.  God and ruptured placenta willing, that is.), and foundlings are also to be given conditional baptisms (After checking to see if they were already baptized, but heck, it's always best to go ahead and do it again any way.).   Got that!?

 

Children of Jews, Infidels, and Protestants are excluded from baptism.  :-O  The church doesn't want to violate "parental" rights or expose a newly minted Catholic to the "danger" of perversion later in life.  Unless...and this is a true beauty:

"...particular circumstances may require a different response. For it would undoubtedly be licit to impart such baptism if the children were in proximate danger of death; or if they had been removed from the parental care and there was no likelihood of their returning to it; or if they were perpetually insane; or if one of the parents were to consent to the baptism; or finally, if, after the death of the father, the paternal grandfather would be willing, even though the mother objected."

 

Oy veh, Mama!  Hey, they're just looking out for your soul...it has nothing to do with increasing the flock!  The whole practice seems rediculous to me.  I'd like to get my name crossed off the list too, but aren't there bigger fish to fry?  Ok, it's rather silly (and somewhat sickening) that parents can enter their unaware, unconsenting infant into an eternal "agreement" with the Church.  Thankfully, it's a completely meaningless agreement, not like those of olden days--indenturement, slavery, dedication to a monastery, and apprenticeship.  Hey, you could have been a Jewish boy foundling, both baptised and circumcised, without a say in either matter. 

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