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Permalink Reply by Mo Trauen on May 6, 2011 at 9:28pm

Here is the bottom line, Eric:  They are Nucking Futs!  They are crazy.  It took me a long time to finally come to terms with this, but finally I realized that it was the truth.

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Permalink Reply by Arcus on May 7, 2011 at 7:02am

I don't really like the sullying of the institution of free speech by dumb speech. And the religious do a lot of the latter. It's worth condoning it, but up to a point. Protection of religious speech did not save us from cannibalism, it was actually someone standing up and saying 'shut up and don't do it, it's just not right' then throw them in jail. 

That's the treatment religion gets in my ideal society. Exposed as a lie that shouldn't be told. But on the way there, we have to deal with the cards dealt, and find a humane containment method, I find intellectual ridicule effective. ;)

 

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Permalink Reply by Reggie on May 7, 2011 at 6:29am

You could always opt for Britain.  You'll need to learn a few terms and work on your cockney, guvnuh.

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Permalink Reply by Mo Trauen on May 7, 2011 at 11:09am

And the subtle use of prepositions.  In Britain, the idiomatic use of prepositions can vary significantly from the U.S.

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Permalink Reply by Ron V on May 6, 2011 at 9:22pm

Actually, it is those who inserted "under God" into the Pledge in the 1950's that should leave- they are the ones who don't understand the Constitution or the meaning of the word "no" in "Congress shall pass NO law with respect to the establishment of religion."

Ignorant, arrogant Christians who spew out rhetoric without actually knowing what they are talking about - if they had their way, this country might still have billions of dollars legally invested in the slave trade, women couldn't vote and would still be the legal property of men (which may still be the case in some states), and there would be periodic burning of "witches."

These so called patriotic "Americans" likely have never read the Constitution, Madison's notes of the Constitutional Convention, the federalist or anti-federalist papers, or even the bible.  Yet these very people threaten the freedoms our founding fathers sought to protect- and they don't even realize it- ignorance at its best.

I have read the things I listed above and I served in the Air Force.  I have lived overseas (before I was in the military).  I love this country and our freedoms and I believe in our Constitution.  I think it is safe to say I am as patriotic (if not much more so) than these idiots - from my perspective, they are a real and present danger to this country and will usher in another dark age if they have their way with their religious fundamentalism.

So, I say kiss my a__ to anyone who says I should leave because I don't believe in their imaginary dictator god-friend.

(Sorry for the emotion, but these people really piss me off)

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Permalink Reply by Mo Trauen on May 6, 2011 at 9:27pm

Sounds to me like you're just one of those horrible "atheist fanatics" people keep telling me about.  ;-)  Just kidding, of course--sort of.

 

I think you have it right.  People who don't support the separation of church and state are un-American and need to leave--if anyone is going to leave.

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Permalink Reply by Ron V on May 6, 2011 at 11:18pm

Yes, I am a horrible atheist fanatic- one who has devoted his life to helping others and making a positive difference in the diagnosis and treatment of people with leukemia and lymphoma.

But I guess none of that matters if I don't believe in the big scary man in the sky- and I should probably pack up my bags and leave this fine Christian nation- prayer and faith, that should be enough to diagnose and treat the bad diseases that afflict people without regard for their religious beliefs or lack thereof.

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Permalink Reply by Jim Minion on May 6, 2011 at 9:48pm

Or they have the right to say it, just not act on it.

Un-American, used as an argument that someone is un-American for their point of view is un-American and this statement is un-American for inferring that it would be un-American..

We have to let Westboro talk their hate so we can express an unpopular point of view, it's the only way to hold them at bay.

Freedom is grand just hard to keep.

 

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Permalink Reply by Mo Trauen on May 6, 2011 at 11:04pm

Sorry, America was based on ideals of freedom.  People who don't share those ideals don't belong here.  There is nothing wrong with attacking the intolerant.  Arguing that a person must be tolerant of the intolerant is very similar to saying he has no right to protect his freedom--or himself.

 

http://goodatheistarguments.blogspot.com/2011/01/tolerant-of-intole...

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Permalink Reply by Jim Minion on May 7, 2011 at 12:31am

Sorry, America was based on ideals of freedom.  People who don't share those ideals don't belong here.

 

I guess this where they are free to leave?

You don't see a problem in your two sentences?

The non-believers only make up about 20% of the US population, so who get's to decide what is tolerated? Is this something you want to put up for a popular vote?

The reason you can as you say "attack the intolerant" is because they have the right to free speech as do you.

 

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Permalink Reply by Arcus on May 7, 2011 at 4:27am

It's just that evidence supports our conclusion about God so much better, and it's not like that evidence is being hidden from those few Christians who say such things. They are being willfully ignorant and use the willful ignorance to spread lies about us - and by extension: you and me. If you can't say that someone can be evil because they have a certain skin pigmentation or sexual or religious orientation, then those few who say we are evil because we are atheists are guilty of hate based speech lies. And expressed lies just aren't protected by free speech.

And some anti-religious/pro-atheist humor: But we are nice enough to let them get away with it because we don't like discussing with fools. ;)

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Permalink Reply by Jim Minion on May 7, 2011 at 10:08am

Arcus I agree with most of your points, it's they need to leave that becomes the problem, I especially agree with your last point completely. :)

You can say someone is evil it is opinion, you can't act on it. Atheists can't play a race card at this point. As opinion changes we will see.

 

 

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