Atheists Should Leave America?
One gas station owner here in South Carolina has a digital readout on all of his pumps that says "One nation under god. If you don't like it, LEAVE!" Sadly, it isn't the first time we've heard this. Many Americans also want immigrants and gays to leave as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywb1EdQtb9U
What is with my state? Just last month, we had a woman hang and burn a dog because it chewed her bible. It really pissed me off and I started a petition because I fear that she is going to receive undeserved lenience. I've heard people around here say things like "what if god really did tell her to do it?". I can't help but think she will be sentenced with the same delusion in mind. The ignorance here amazes me. Btw, if you haven't signed my petition, here is the link http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/woman-hangs-and-burns-dog/
Back to the subject. Christians really believe that they run this country. It is aparent that they want atheists out of it. How can we show them that this is not a Christian nation? We have quoted statements from our founding fathers, we have argued about separation of church and state, we have rejected creationism in our classrooms, and Obama has even stated on several occasions that this is not a Christian Nation. What else can we do to convince Christians that this is a country for everyone?
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Permalink Reply by Keith Pinster on -
Actually, the amusing thing to me is that, if their arguments are correct and the founders WERE xian, that make the evidence that there is no sign of that religion in the founding documents even MORE compelling for the argument for separation of state and church. Their drive to turn this country into a theocracy will fail as long as we are all diligent in holding our law makers accountable for keeping religion out of our legislation.
By the way, they don't forget, they just choose to ignore the truth and replace it with their own delusions. Much like they ignore scientific truths and replace those with their delusional superstitions.
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Permalink Reply by SteveInCO on -
Well it's a bit more complicated than that. Some coins started bearing IGWT in the 1860s (that's not a typo). You are thinking of paper money, and even there, it only appeared on the one dollar bill (it was put on in 1957) until the mid 60s. I explain it in full here: http://www.thinkatheist.com/profiles/blogs/let-reason-reign-cross-p... wich is a mirror of my block over here: http://letreasonreign.wordpress.com/2012/03/02/in-god-we-trust
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Permalink Reply by SteveInCO on
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...And since I posted this I've learned a bit more. IGWT only appeared on SOME $1 bills starting in 1957. Other presses in the same building were continuing to run off properly godless notes until the mid 1960s.
http://letreasonreign.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/better-information-a...
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Permalink Reply by Courtney Hammett on -
It's my state, too. I have no idea. I quote Founding Fathers, cite the Treaty of Tripoli, cite the Constitution. Nothing works to keep people from saying stuff like this.
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Permalink Reply by Keith Pinster on
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@Courtney - The problem is that people who are religious are trained to evaluate evidence based on their personal emotions and how it affects their beliefs, rather than in any sort of rational way. Anything that goes against their preconceived ideas of reality must not be true, regardless of how compelling that evidence is. That is why they hate science so much; it is an impassioned and impartial method of finding out what reality is. Some are so bad that they will hold onto "evidence" that has been disproved time and again, and some will even make up "evidence" out of thin air and present it as though it were proven fact. Yes, it is mind boggling that these people can actually function in life.
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Permalink Reply by Mark Romano on
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I feel for you! - but I can't offer you much comfort - maybe just cold comfort. There isn't anything that could change the minds of these fanatics, which would be acceptable (if yucky), if they were not so keen to have their beliefs enshrined in the law ... Chances are that the said woman will be treated w/leniency - after all, belief may not be questioned (if it were, it might not hold up!) An atheist doing the same - say hanging and burning a dog for chewing up the phone book (which is a far better book than the Bible) - would get the maximum sentence allowed - which the judge would impose, saying, "If the law allowed me to impose a worse punishment I would because there is no sufficient punishment for a monster like you!" ... I suppose that the dog was one of Satan's familiars, and Satan, of course, is at least as stupid as God, so he would believe that one dog chewing up a single Bible.would put a noticeable dent in the mountainous pile of Bible's that the faithful might thump while they are condemning "sinners."
This is not a Christian nation. But does that matter? Time will tell.
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Permalink Reply by Tom Holm on -
Jeez the more I read stories like these the more I want to leave, but I will not be bullied and pushed around because of my none belief. These type people are crazy and I'm so glad that atheism is on the rise, maybe one day we might actually be a big enough group to get togather and start letting these fundies know this is not just their country, but every other legal immigrant, lgbt and atheist who pay taxes and have the same rights that they do. Its a shame that we are in 2012 and act like its 1812
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Permalink Reply by Rob Klaers on -
Many believe that since it's was Christians (ie, Puritans) who originally settled in North America from Europe that we're then by default a Christian Nation. Even though everything which came after that contradicts that assertion on their part.
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Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on -
The Puritains were amongst the earlier settlers. It's not as if they were the definitive seed from which modern America sprang.
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Permalink Reply by Keith Pinster on
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It's all part of their delusion. If the founding fathers could be construed as highly religious, they *must* have wanted the nation to be religious. They hate it when there is an argument about the religiosity of the FFs and I point out that, if they are right and the founders were as religious as these nitcases claim they are, that gives even MORE credence to the argument that they intended this to be a secular nation. After all, if they really were that religious, they must have purposefully left out any support for any given church on purpose, right? I usually just got dead silence from that argument. LMFAO
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Permalink Reply by Dale Headley on
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I’m perfectly okay with sharing this country with Christians; their ignorance, hatred, and superstition will not rub off on me They won't get me to burn my dog should it fail to say its prayers. However, if they are uncomfortable with sharing the country with me and and sacrilegious canines, perhaps it is THEY who should skidaddle. If Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, and the other founding fathers who were not Christians didn’t leave, why should I?
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