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Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on November 9, 2012 at 4:41pm

I think that's a much more fruitful path than trying to deconvert people. 

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Permalink Reply by Kir Komrik on November 9, 2012 at 11:16pm

Hey Simon,

Okay, well I must not be understanding what you mean Strega. but if I read you right it won't get you anywhere, imo. It won't work because you'll get the odd reaction I described.

- kk

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on November 9, 2012 at 4:44pm

Uh, considering that George W. "I trust God speaks through me." Bush started the war in Iraq, with all of its wanton killing, and the Religious Right hates anyone who isn't White, Anglo-Saxon, Straight and Protestant, can anyone really lend much credence to that?

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Permalink Reply by Kir Komrik on November 9, 2012 at 11:18pm

Hey Arch,

That's another, related problem. Its mass hypocrisy, Christianity being one of its best exponents. Problem is, that doesn't go over well as a subject in deconversion conversations.

- kk

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on November 9, 2012 at 11:50pm

Interestingly, Peyton doesn't seem to think deconversion has much value.

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Permalink Reply by Kir Komrik on November 10, 2012 at 12:00am

Yes he does - kk

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Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on November 10, 2012 at 6:45am

Deconversion can have value, but equally, getting religious people to do their thing properly has just as much if not more value. 

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Permalink Reply by Kir Komrik on November 10, 2012 at 7:03am

Hey Simon,

That's a good point - kk

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Permalink Reply by Kir Komrik on November 9, 2012 at 11:15pm

Hey Strega,

Do you mean, to suggest that if they had no Bible they certainly would not do those things? I think the actual answer I would get back would be, surprise, that they would in fact do those things. That's why they're adherents ... I know, but I just know it all too well.

- kk

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Permalink Reply by Glen C. Smith on November 9, 2012 at 1:50pm

If man is the measure of all things, then life is a real, multi-player shooting game and the last man standing is moral.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on November 9, 2012 at 2:44pm

Encapsulized, the history of all battles, including the one for morality, is written by the victor.

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Permalink Reply by Glen C. Smith on November 9, 2012 at 2:54pm

The question then becomes, "Is objective morality a contradiction in terms?"  I suspect that the answer to the question "Is morality absolute/universal or situational?" is: yes.  Perhaps ethics is about what we ought to be/do and morality is about what we think we ought to be/do.

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