Hi All,

We had a discussion many moons ago about atheists and morality and a lot has happened since then. I reached some new conclusions (which I'll withhold for now so I don't poison the water) and at least one other poster here has some new ideas about it.

So, I was wondering what the prevailing opinion is out there on this topic. Do you believe that atheists can be "moral"? Is it impossible for an atheist to be truly moral? Is "morality" something to which adherents have a valid claim? The infamous Dawkins and Harris had a discussion at Oxford about this about a year or so ago that was very good and I would also be interested in what anyone thinks of what was discussed there.

Thanks and all are welcome.

- kk

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Para me, la noche esta acabo - hasta mañana, Chicitita --

Arch - are you sure? - kk

Arch,

The most immoral person I know, discussing morality?

To whom do you refer? And yea, I think I got the Shakespearean line. Thanks

- kk

RE: "To whom do you refer?"

ME!

Arch - aww come on, I want to be the debaucherous one! :-) - kk

I-) sleepy

debauchery is not just a way of life its a special frame of mind lol shall we all jump of the deep end with it? I'll bring the Scotch....

Nikos - Quite - kk

Hey Tiffany,

Yea, I think you summed up Harris' view very well. - kk

Wouldn't it?  What if killing 1 person would cure cancer in a million cancer patients?

I realize that's a contrived example but I am sure with some thought you could come up with a scenario where killing or injuring someone (or taking their stuff) would cause them harm but produce greater benefit to some group of other people.

I am sure with some thought you could come up with a scenario where killing or injuring someone (or taking their stuff) would cause them harm but produce greater benefit to some group of other people.

Isn't that the entire premise of every war and crime..ever?

Hey kOrsan,

Egggzzzzaaaccctttllyyyyy And this is Harris' logic - see below - kk

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